* emacs-everywhere @ 2022-03-06 23:48 Eliot Moss 2022-03-07 2:00 ` emacs-everywhere Russell VT 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Eliot Moss @ 2022-03-06 23:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin Dear Cygwiners - I use Thunderbird as my email tool, and in older versions I could arrange to invoke emacs as an external editor, edit my mail, save and exit emacs, and the edited mail would be there in Thunderbird. I have seen recommendations to use emacs-everywhere to get something like this going in more recent Thunderbirds. However, the recommended emacsclient command fails saying it can't find xdotool - which apparently is not available under Cygwin. So ... am I out of luck on this? Or can the technology be hooked up somehow? Or maybe somebody here know an esy (not many keystrokes / mouse actions) way to get stuff from Thunderbird, edit, and get it back into TBird? This is why I am still on Thunderbird 68.12 (!). Regards - Eliot Moss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs-everywhere 2022-03-06 23:48 emacs-everywhere Eliot Moss @ 2022-03-07 2:00 ` Russell VT 2022-03-07 3:33 ` emacs-everywhere Eliot Moss 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Russell VT @ 2022-03-07 2:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: moss; +Cc: cygwin Eliot - Are you running Thunderbird under Cygwin (ie. in an "X" environment?), or are you running it directly from Windows? For reference for those of us that may not be familiar with xdotool... it mimics X11 Client responses. GitHub - https://github.com/jordansissel/xdotool ManPage - http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/xdotool.1.html On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 3:49 PM Eliot Moss <moss@cs.umass.edu> wrote: > > Dear Cygwiners - I use Thunderbird as my email tool, and in older versions > I > could arrange to invoke emacs as an external editor, edit my mail, save and > exit emacs, and the edited mail would be there in Thunderbird. > > I have seen recommendations to use emacs-everywhere to get something like > this > going in more recent Thunderbirds. However, the recommended emacsclient > command fails saying it can't find xdotool - which apparently is not > available > under Cygwin. > > So ... am I out of luck on this? Or can the technology be hooked up > somehow? > Or maybe somebody here know an esy (not many keystrokes / mouse actions) > way > to get stuff from Thunderbird, edit, and get it back into TBird? > > This is why I am still on Thunderbird 68.12 (!). > > Regards - Eliot Moss > > -- > Problem reports: https://cygwin.com/problems.html > FAQ: https://cygwin.com/faq/ > Documentation: https://cygwin.com/docs.html > Unsubscribe info: https://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple > -- Russell M. Van Tassell <russellvt@gmail.com> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs-everywhere 2022-03-07 2:00 ` emacs-everywhere Russell VT @ 2022-03-07 3:33 ` Eliot Moss 2022-03-08 9:49 ` emacs-everywhere Russell VT 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Eliot Moss @ 2022-03-07 3:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Russell VT; +Cc: cygwin On 3/6/2022 9:00 PM, Russell VT wrote: > Eliot - > > Are you running Thunderbird under Cygwin (ie. in an "X" environment?), or are you running it > directly from Windows? Thanks for responding, Russell. Directly under Windows. Can it run under Cygwin? I am running Cygwin/X with emacs, xterm, okular, etc. Regards - Eliot ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs-everywhere 2022-03-07 3:33 ` emacs-everywhere Eliot Moss @ 2022-03-08 9:49 ` Russell VT 2022-03-08 13:55 ` emacs-everywhere Eliot Moss 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Russell VT @ 2022-03-08 9:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: moss; +Cc: cygwin On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 7:33 PM Eliot Moss <moss@cs.umass.edu> wrote: > On 3/6/2022 9:00 PM, Russell VT wrote: > > Are you running Thunderbird under Cygwin (ie. in an "X" environment?), > or are you running it > > directly from Windows? > > Thanks for responding, Russell. Directly under Windows. > Ok, that means it's going to need a little bit of "work" to even be "aware" of the Cygwin environment. So, anything you fork from ThunderBird will need to have its environment setup "somewhere," or will end up with a "default" Cygwin environment. This may make things either much easier, or much more difficult. (depending on perspective... LOL) Can it run under Cygwin? I am running Cygwin/X with > emacs, xterm, okular, etc. > Well, it sounds like you've already done "the hard work" ... but, given enough time and resources, ThunderBird can run just about anywhere. https://developer.thunderbird.net/thunderbird-development/building-thunderbird I'm not exactly sure anyone has gone down this path, however. So, the IMPORTANT question is... how do you "normally" invoke this sort of action from Thunderbird, in your other environments? And, what do "we" need to change/fix to make it work, like you would like it to work? (Again, I'm assuming you have this "working" in your other environments) After that, HOW do we do it from the command line, in Cygwin? (presumably with an X environment already present/running) -- Russell M. Van Tassell <russellvt@gmail.com> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs-everywhere 2022-03-08 9:49 ` emacs-everywhere Russell VT @ 2022-03-08 13:55 ` Eliot Moss 2022-03-08 15:36 ` emacs-everywhere Henry S. Thompson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Eliot Moss @ 2022-03-08 13:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Russell VT; +Cc: cygwin On 3/8/2022 4:49 AM, Russell VT wrote: > On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 7:33 PM Eliot Moss <moss@cs.umass.edu <mailto:moss@cs.umass.edu>> wrote: > > On 3/6/2022 9:00 PM, Russell VT wrote: > > Are you running Thunderbird under Cygwin (ie. in an "X" environment?), or are you running it > > directly from Windows? > > Thanks for responding, Russell. Directly under Windows. > > > Ok, that means it's going to need a little bit of "work" to even be "aware" of the Cygwin > environment. So, anything you fork from ThunderBird will need to have its environment setup > "somewhere," or will end up with a "default" Cygwin environment. > > This may make things either much easier, or much more difficult. (depending on perspective... LOL) > > > Can it run under Cygwin? I am running Cygwin/X with > emacs, xterm, okular, etc. > > > Well, it sounds like you've already done "the hard work" ... but, given enough time and resources, > ThunderBird can run just about anywhere. > > https://developer.thunderbird.net/thunderbird-development/building-thunderbird > > I'm not exactly sure anyone has gone down this path, however. > > > So, the IMPORTANT question is... how do you "normally" invoke this sort of action from Thunderbird, > in your other environments? And, what do "we" need to change/fix to make it work, like you would > like it to work? (Again, I'm assuming you have this "working" in your other environments) > > After that, HOW do we do it from the command line, in Cygwin? (presumably with an X environment > already present/running) The method I use at present is not available in later Thunderbirds. Presently I use an External Editor add-on. If I type control-E it fires up a (Windows) emacs and I can edit there, save and exit, and the edited email is back in Thunderbird. But Thunderbird totally changed their add-on technology a few years ago and this addon has never been updated. (It's a pretty simple add-on, but since I know little about Thunderbird's internals I don't know how to recreate it in their new setup.) The notion with emacs-everywhere is to bind some key globally in Windows to invoke it. First I would select stuff into the cut/paste buffer, then invoke emacs-everywhere, and the buffer's contents would appear in emacs. I would edit, exit that pop-up emacs, and the edited text would be in the paste buffer, which I could paste back into Thunderbird. Not quite as seamless as before, but not as bad as explicit cut and paste back and forth. This is soething I do all the time, so minimizing the actions needed is of significant utility (to me, anyway). It does occur to me, however, that if I am willing to run Thunderbird from WSL, this all might work more or less out of the box. But the stumbling block at present is the lack of xdotool that can be invoked by emacsclient to start an emacs-everywhere pop-up window. Unless someone with deeper knowledge of emacs / emacs-everywhere or of X innards can suggest another way to do that. Thanks for continuing to engage .... Eliot ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs-everywhere 2022-03-08 13:55 ` emacs-everywhere Eliot Moss @ 2022-03-08 15:36 ` Henry S. Thompson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Henry S. Thompson @ 2022-03-08 15:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: moss; +Cc: Russell VT, cygwin Eliot Moss writes: > ... > It does occur to me, however, that if I am willing to run > Thunderbird from WSL, this all might work more or less out of the > box. But the stumbling block at present is the lack of xdotool that > can be invoked by emacsclient to start an emacs-everywhere pop-up > window. Unless someone with deeper knowledge of emacs / > emacs-everywhere or of X innards can suggest another way to do that. Not sure if this is any help, but I gave up on xdotool some time ago, as bugs are not getting fixed and I don't have the X chops to fix them. Similar and in many ways easier to use is pyautogui: https://pypi.org/project/PyAutoGUI/ It has worked well for me in cases where I used to use xdotool. Your mileage may vary... ht -- Henry S. Thompson, School of Informatics, University of Edinburgh 10 Crichton Street, Edinburgh EH8 9AB, SCOTLAND -- (44) 131 650-4440 Fax: (44) 131 650-4587, e-mail: ht@inf.ed.ac.uk URL: http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~ht/ [mail from me _always_ has a .sig like this -- mail without it is forged spam] The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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