Re: Linking collections (was: RE: I'm trying to set up docbook-tools. ..)

Re: Linking collections (was: RE: I'm trying to set up docbook-tools. ..)

[Norman Walsh]

/ Gregory Leblanc <GLeblanc@cu-portland.edu> was heard to say:
| > -----Original Message-----
| > From: Norman Walsh [ mailto:ndw@nwalsh.com ]
| > SGML doesn't really have a good cross-document linking 
| > solution (though
| > you can cobble one together, see my tutorials about olink on 
| > nwalsh.com).

http://nwalsh.com/docbook/dsssl/doc/olinksemantics.html

| it, but I'd appreciate a pointer if you read this before I find it.  There
| really needs to be a good way to link between separate documents for a lot
| of things.  That's one of the biggest problems that the LDP has right now.
| It's very hard to reference other documents because all you can do is say
| "read document named X", and not do a very good job linking to that
| document, or even better, to a specific section of that document.

It's one of the biggest problems XML has right now, IMHO. It should
be/will/is possible to build a solution with XPointer and XLink, but I
don't know of an out-of-the-box one available now.

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | All our foes are mortal.--Val\'ery
http://nwalsh.com/            | 

Re: Linking collections (was: RE: I'm trying to set up docbook-tools. ..)

[Norman Walsh]

/ Gregory Leblanc <GLeblanc@cu-portland.edu> was heard to say:
| > -----Original Message-----
| > From: Norman Walsh [ mailto:ndw@nwalsh.com ]
| > SGML doesn't really have a good cross-document linking 
| > solution (though
| > you can cobble one together, see my tutorials about olink on 
| > nwalsh.com).

http://nwalsh.com/docbook/dsssl/doc/olinksemantics.html

| it, but I'd appreciate a pointer if you read this before I find it.  There
| really needs to be a good way to link between separate documents for a lot
| of things.  That's one of the biggest problems that the LDP has right now.
| It's very hard to reference other documents because all you can do is say
| "read document named X", and not do a very good job linking to that
| document, or even better, to a specific section of that document.

It's one of the biggest problems XML has right now, IMHO. It should
be/will/is possible to build a solution with XPointer and XLink, but I
don't know of an out-of-the-box one available now.

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | All our foes are mortal.--Val\'ery
http://nwalsh.com/            | 

Linking collections (was: RE: I'm trying to set up docbook-tools...)

[Gregory Leblanc]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norman Walsh [ mailto:ndw@nwalsh.com ]
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 6:59 AM
> To: docbook-tools-discuss@sourceware.cygnus.com
> Subject: Re: I'm trying to set up docbook-tools...
> 
> |   More details on linking documents, I've got 6 docs that 
> I'm writing in
> | parallel and would really like to link between them. I gave up.
> 
> These are six separate documents, or six parts of the same document?
> SGML doesn't really have a good cross-document linking 
> solution (though
> you can cobble one together, see my tutorials about olink on 
> nwalsh.com).
> XPointer and XLink should do better, but there are still some problems
> given that you don't typically publish the source.

From looking under Documents, DocBook, and XML, I don't see this on your
site.  I'll keep poking around, a bit more and holler with a URL if I find
it, but I'd appreciate a pointer if you read this before I find it.  There
really needs to be a good way to link between separate documents for a lot
of things.  That's one of the biggest problems that the LDP has right now.
It's very hard to reference other documents because all you can do is say
"read document named X", and not do a very good job linking to that
document, or even better, to a specific section of that document.  Thanks,
	Grego

RE: Linking collections (was: RE: I'm trying to set up docbook-tools. ..)

[Gregory Leblanc]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norman Walsh [ mailto:ndw@nwalsh.com ]
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 7:03 AM
> To: Gregory Leblanc
> Cc: docbook-tools-discuss@sourceware.cygnus.com
> Subject: Re: Linking collections (was: RE: I'm trying to set up
> docbook-tools. ..)
> 
> / Gregory Leblanc <GLeblanc@cu-portland.edu> was heard to say:
> | > -----Original Message-----
> | > From: Norman Walsh [ mailto:ndw@nwalsh.com ]
> | > SGML doesn't really have a good cross-document linking 
> | > solution (though
> | > you can cobble one together, see my tutorials about olink on 
> | > nwalsh.com).
> 
> http://nwalsh.com/docbook/dsssl/doc/olinksemantics.html

For anybody who hasn't read this, here's fair warning about it being a wee
little bit hard to understand.  No offense, please, I'm just having a very
hard time understanding this, perhaps because I've only got about 6 months
working with SGML.  As an example "The format of generated text is
controlled by the XRefLabel attribute on the ModeSpec pointed to by the
OLink."  I've got to work REAL hard to figure out just what that means.
I'll try to come up with as many questions as I can, and post them here(?)
as soon as I get them into some semblance of order.  One other note, I think
that your entity definitions are hosed, as I see &ldquo; and others in the
HTML version of this file.  Thanks,
	Grego

RE: Linking collections (was: RE: I'm trying to set up docbook-tools. ..)

[Peter Toft]

On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Norman Walsh [ mailto:ndw@nwalsh.com ]
> > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 7:03 AM
> > To: Gregory Leblanc
> > Cc: docbook-tools-discuss@sourceware.cygnus.com
> > Subject: Re: Linking collections (was: RE: I'm trying to set up
> > docbook-tools. ..)
> > 
> > / Gregory Leblanc <GLeblanc@cu-portland.edu> was heard to say:
> > | > -----Original Message-----
> > | > From: Norman Walsh [ mailto:ndw@nwalsh.com ]
> > | > SGML doesn't really have a good cross-document linking 
> > | > solution (though
> > | > you can cobble one together, see my tutorials about olink on 
> > | > nwalsh.com).
> > 
> > http://nwalsh.com/docbook/dsssl/doc/olinksemantics.html
> 
> For anybody who hasn't read this, here's fair warning about it being a wee
> little bit hard to understand.  No offense, please, I'm just having a very
> hard time understanding this, perhaps because I've only got about 6 months
> working with SGML.  As an example "The format of generated text is

I tried to raise the same problem some weeks ago - I
have used Docbook for 2 years now, but I cant make make
the olink work from Normans webpage description. It is
not easy IMHO.



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RE: Linking collections (was: RE: I'm trying to set up docbook-tools. ..)

[Peter Toft]

On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Norman Walsh [ mailto:ndw@nwalsh.com ]
> > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 7:03 AM
> > To: Gregory Leblanc
> > Cc: docbook-tools-discuss@sourceware.cygnus.com
> > Subject: Re: Linking collections (was: RE: I'm trying to set up
> > docbook-tools. ..)
> > 
> > / Gregory Leblanc <GLeblanc@cu-portland.edu> was heard to say:
> > | > -----Original Message-----
> > | > From: Norman Walsh [ mailto:ndw@nwalsh.com ]
> > | > SGML doesn't really have a good cross-document linking 
> > | > solution (though
> > | > you can cobble one together, see my tutorials about olink on 
> > | > nwalsh.com).
> > 
> > http://nwalsh.com/docbook/dsssl/doc/olinksemantics.html
> 
> For anybody who hasn't read this, here's fair warning about it being a wee
> little bit hard to understand.  No offense, please, I'm just having a very
> hard time understanding this, perhaps because I've only got about 6 months
> working with SGML.  As an example "The format of generated text is

I tried to raise the same problem some weeks ago - I
have used Docbook for 2 years now, but I cant make make
the olink work from Normans webpage description. It is
not easy IMHO.



-- 
Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto

"You don't win a battle by asking, `Will we win?' 
You win it by doing your best to win"
- Richard M Stallman

----> Visit http://petition.eurolinux.org <---