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From: Gary Thomas <gary@mlbassoc.com>
To: Nick Garnett <nickg@ecoscentric.com>
Cc: John Dallaway <jld@ecoscentric.com>,
	eCos Maintainers <ecos-maintainers@sources.redhat.com>
Subject: Re: New CPM/DPRAM allocator
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:38:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1048084683.7462.4976.camel@hermes.chez-thomas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3znnrk420.fsf@miso.calivar.com>

On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 04:07, Nick Garnett wrote:
> John Dallaway <jld@ecoscentric.com> writes:
> 
> > A few of questions:
> > 
> > 1) Does this incompatibilty affect _all_ targets which run both RedBoot and 
> > eCos?
> 
> Just PowerPC QUICC targets, like the MBX, Adder or Viper, for example.
> 
> > 2) Could the new allocator implementation be modified in any way to preserve 
> > compatibility?
> 
> Possibly. But I'll defer to Gary on this one.
> 

The more I look at this, the less I understand why it fails now.  The 
new allocation scheme should not clash - i.e. mixing new eCos with old
RedBoot should be OK.

Perhaps if I can figure out why this is failing, I can propose a change
which will not cause problems.

> > 3) To what extent might the new allocator perturb eCos functionality other 
> > than by a stepwise "it will work or it will be completely broken".
> 
> It shouldn't affect anything else. Failure modes are hard to specify
> since they depend on the contents of what is currently an
> uninitialized location in RAM. Different instances of RedBoot might
> have different values there.
> 
> We might even be able to add a test to the DPRAM code to detect an old
> RedBoot and generate an error message before proceeding.
> 
> > 4) Is a further break in compatibility possible as potential issues with the 
> > new allocator are ironed out?
> 
> Unlikely. The code is only a handful of lines. 
> 
> > 
> > We need to determine how to manage the switch over to the new CPM/DPRAM 
> > allocator smoothly for everyone. From my perspective, it is certainly 
> > unfortunate that this innovation has arrived between 2.0 beta and 2.0 
> > final. Were it not for the break in compatibility, I would vote against 
> > incorporating this change for 2.0 final since the change will (to a certain 
> > extent) invalidate beta testing by the net community. However, it would 
> > also be undesirable for 2.0 final RedBoot to be incompatible with anonCVS 
> > eCos from day 1. Users are likely to want to stick with a release version 
> > of the firmware while experimenting with eCos from anonCVS.
> > 
> 
> It only affects a handful of boards: MBX, VIPER, ADDER, TS1000. QUICC2
> targets like the tS6 and VADS are not affected, and non-QUICC MPC8xx
> targets like the CMA28x and FADS boards are not affected.
> 
> -- 
> Nick Garnett                    eCos Kernel Architect
> http://www.ecoscentric.com/     The eCos and RedBoot experts

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  reply	other threads:[~2003-03-19 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-03-18  8:47 Patches for the eCos 2.0 branch John Dallaway
2003-03-18 13:48 ` Gary Thomas
2003-03-18 16:04   ` Proposal for processing patches " John Dallaway
2003-03-18 17:25     ` Jonathan Larmour
2003-03-18 18:21       ` Nick Garnett
2003-03-18 18:56     ` Andrew Lunn
2003-04-12  5:00       ` Jonathan Larmour
2003-04-14  7:28         ` Andrew Lunn
2003-03-18 19:01     ` Andrew Lunn
2003-03-18 22:58       ` Jonathan Larmour
2003-03-18 19:16     ` SNMP for FreeBSD Andrew Lunn
2003-03-19 13:22       ` Jonathan Larmour
2003-03-19 14:23         ` Gary Thomas
2003-03-19 18:07         ` Nick Garnett
2003-03-25 17:01       ` Andrew Lunn
2003-03-19 14:22     ` 2.0 branch: mn10300 debug info patch Bart Veer
2003-03-19 14:40       ` John Dallaway
2003-03-19 18:07       ` Nick Garnett
2003-03-18 18:09   ` Patches for the eCos 2.0 branch Nick Garnett
2003-03-18 18:25     ` Gary Thomas
2003-03-18 19:05       ` Nick Garnett
2003-03-18 19:13         ` Gary Thomas
2003-03-19 10:18           ` New CPM/DPRAM allocator John Dallaway
2003-03-19 13:02             ` Nick Garnett
2003-03-19 14:38               ` Gary Thomas [this message]
2003-03-19 15:44               ` John Dallaway
2003-03-19 17:06                 ` Gary Thomas
2003-03-19 18:22                   ` Nick Garnett
2003-03-19 18:26                     ` Gary Thomas
2003-03-19 18:52                       ` Nick Garnett
     [not found]                         ` <1048100525.7462.5617.camel@hermes.chez-thomas.org>
2003-03-19 19:21                           ` Nick Garnett
2003-03-20 13:02                           ` Nick Garnett
2003-03-20 13:14                             ` Gary Thomas
2003-03-20 18:11                               ` Nick Garnett

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