From: Jerry D <jvdelisle2@gmail.com>
To: Tobias Burnus <tobias@codesourcery.com>,
sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu, fortran <fortran@gcc.gnu.org>,
Jerry DeLisle <jvdelisle@charter.net>
Cc: Benson Muite <benson_muite@emailplus.org>
Subject: Re: Team Collaboration Considerations
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 10:15:24 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <c14ad1b9-d63b-eb5c-9d03-e229d5fcd8a7@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dbad8e59-a0cc-3982-cb04-604dad178f68@codesourcery.com>
On 12/8/22 9:25 AM, Tobias Burnus wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 08.12.22 17:27, Steve Kargl via Fortran wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 07, 2022 at 05:54:40PM -0800, Jerry D via Fortran wrote:
>>> Other than Benson, I have received no sign of any interest from
>>> gfortran
>>> developers to adopt a teaming/collaboration platform. I am a bit
>>> disappointed. Maybe my intent was misunderstood. I am not suggesting
>>> replacing the email approval process but there are many other
>>> features of
>>> these platforms, in particular, communication efficiency that would
>>> be very
>>> helpful.
>
> I personally do not have a strong preference for any. But every
> additional communication channel costs time time (setting up, tracking
> discussions etc.) and it is not really clear what's the benefits vs.
> costs ratio.
For myself, a clear benefit is at a glance on my phone I can know if
there is activity and i can reply on the fly while I am at work or
whereever, or reply later as i choose without having to scan my emails
>
> I don't mind adding yet another channel to watch, but I cannot guarantee
> that I will be able to actively follow it. If it is not high volume and
> I get some notification that something has changed by email, it might
> work – or if it is interesting/often enough used, I might log in from
> time to time – but otherwise it will simply get ignored. Not due to not
> being interested but due to having too much else on to do.
>
Understood, we all have this issue.
>>> I will keep the Mattermost workspace. If anyone want to join send me
>>> your
>>> email and I will send you an invite.
> Let's try it – please send an invite.
I wiil start sending invites. I am learning this thing myself. I will
also post to Fortran Discourse occasionally to see if anyone new may be
interested in getting invited as well. I have in mind the possibilities
of this being a mentoring tool for any newer persons and a 'give me
hint' place for the long timers trying to remember where this or that
was in the code etc.
>
>> I think you're seeing the effects of the move to git and an aging
>> base of contributors.
>
> I don't think that moving to 'git' really causes the problem – nor the
> move to C++, given that is is not really visible in most code. I think
> the main problem is that most things do work and attracting a new
> contributor is always difficult. Google Summer of Code was one
> successful way, but attracting contributors is not trivial.
Yes, I do not see git as the main issue. I use it often at work. I also
use C, C++, C#, Python, and some others on occasion. The only trick is
jumping between the various eye candy features. Code is code, but then i
am sort of a generalist which is why sometime i get stuck in details. LOL
>
> This year, two were interested working on gfortran but at the end it did
> not work out – despite me spending quite some time to guide them to get
> started.
If you can send me contact information on people. Maybe I can invite
them to the Mattermost. (Up to you of course)
>
>> Occasionally, Thomas
>> and I offer up patches, but this occurs in a rather sparse manner.
>> In fact, if I fix a bug, the patch is attached to the bugzilla report
>> where it sits until Harald stumbles across it or it bit rots.
>> ...
>> "I don't have time"
>
Totally understand this issue.
> I think we have three areas: bug fixes (where Harald does an awesome
> job), cleanup/restructuring of some bad design, and new features (mainly
> but not only F2018). The problem with the second item is that it takes
> quite some work for little visible benefit; we do some bits here and
> there for bug fixes (or for TS29113) but nothing larger. Likewise for
> F2018, some low-hanging fruits are easily done, but some larger
> development work is really due.
>
> I still intend to do more on the gfortran side, but I am rather busy on
> the OpenMP side (code, specification meetings including filing issues
> and creating spec patches) and things like working on gfortran competes
> with fixing other GCC issues (a pragma, documentation, long-standing
> other Bugzilla bugs), fixing issues in external testsuites/libraries,
> GSoC mentoring, internal mentoring etc. I still hope that I will do more
> non-OpenMP gfortran work but it does not look as if I will do a lot any
> time soon.
>
> Tobias
>
Your contributions have always been very appreciated.
Jerry
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-12-10 18:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-12-04 3:52 Jerry D
2022-12-04 14:16 ` Benson Muite
2022-12-08 1:54 ` Jerry D
2022-12-08 4:12 ` Benson Muite
2022-12-08 16:27 ` Steve Kargl
2022-12-08 17:25 ` Tobias Burnus
2022-12-10 18:15 ` Jerry D [this message]
2022-12-08 19:14 ` Holcomb, Katherine A (kah3f)
2022-12-09 19:36 ` Toon Moene
2022-12-09 21:56 ` Paul Richard Thomas
2022-12-09 22:10 ` Toon Moene
2022-12-10 20:10 ` Jerry D
2022-12-10 21:09 ` Steve Kargl
2022-12-11 17:37 ` Holcomb, Katherine A (kah3f)
2022-12-10 21:11 ` Thomas Koenig
2022-12-13 8:10 ` Janne Blomqvist
2022-12-13 12:22 ` Jerry D
2022-12-26 10:19 ` NightStrike
2023-01-19 5:00 ` Benson Muite
2023-01-19 12:28 ` NightStrike
2023-01-19 12:46 ` Toon Moene
2023-01-19 12:52 ` NightStrike
2023-01-19 18:33 ` Bernhard Reutner-Fischer
2023-01-19 19:03 ` NightStrike
2023-01-20 6:11 ` Bernhard Reutner-Fischer
2023-01-20 6:21 ` Benson Muite
2023-01-21 4:50 ` Jerry D
2022-12-08 21:27 Harald Anlauf
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