Re: my notes from the tracing workshop

[Elena Zannoni <elena.zannoni@oracle.com>]

Thanks for the notes, Andrew. Good summary.
I posted mine here, including my slides:
http://blogs.oracle.com/ezannoni/

elena


Andrew Cagney wrote:
> [The slides get published next week]
>
>
> Overview
>
> The underlying goal of the workshop was to gather information on the 
> current state of tracing and monitoring technology, and identify areas 
> of potential research and development.  The Canadian Government is 
> looking to significantly further research in this area; and is 
> preparing a report.
>
> Broadly the talks had an embedded bent, which isn't surprising given 
> its organizational origins in the telco industry.  There was a wide 
> level of representation though with both large system, and deeply 
> embedded viewpoints being presented.
>
>
> The Technology
>
> For most talks, the assumed approach was
>
>    <probe> -> <filtering> -> <recorder> -> $LOG
>
> then on the host; or in user land:
>
>    $LOG -> <converter> -> "DB" -> <visualization>
>
> so I'll talk to that.
>
>
> Probes
>
> That there were two technology camps (modified kernel, and dynamic 
> probes), with the majority in the former group.  Interestingly, the 
> embedded players strongly indicated that deploying the modified kernel 
> was acceptable (even advantageous) - the systems were permanently 
> running in flight-recorder mode so they were in a better position to 
> do postmortem analysis.
>
> The exceptions were SystemTAP and SensorPoint (Wind River) (and on the 
> edge, frysk).  Both SystemTAP and SensorPoint and the same basic 
> approaches.  SensorPoint did have a djprobe like mechanism working, 
> and nested(?) probes (where you could specify the call chain required 
> to trigger the probe - it worked by watching the functions and not by 
> looking at backtraces); finally the ability to replace code on live 
> systems.
>
>
> Finaly, the big and positive thing on probes was that the kernel 
> markers being accepted.  Oracle(Elena) identified that a lacking 
> feature was being able to query the list of possible probe points -> 
> embedding markers in the code (and hopefully having them documented in 
> situ ????) will address this.  On the other hand, I picked up a few 
> concerns (outside of presentations): who gets to back port this (if at 
> all); its an ABI, who gets to maintain it long term; and what happens 
> when someone refuses to accept markers in their code :-)
>
>
> Filters
>
> This is where SystemTAP and SensorPoint stood out (I think :-).  Both 
> have the ability to filter events before pushing them to the 
> recorder.  Using SystemTAP on the kernel markers should be a wicked 
> combination.
>
> [Can I assume that, when there's a marked up kernel, SystemTAP inserts 
> jumps instead of traps?  If fche had been giving the talk, it would 
> have been my question :-)]
>
>
> Recorders and logs
>
> Zzzzz.
>
>
> Converters
>
> The consistent approach was to implement some sort of converter that 
> could load random external file formats and load them into an internal 
> form.
>
> While there seemed to be a push to standardize on log-file format, I 
> got the impression that it was solving the wrong problem (and others 
> two).  Size really did matter.
>
>
> "DB"
>
> There was a strong consensus that the "internal" format of the log 
> data needed to be a fast light weight database; two vendors were using 
> sqlite for instance (TPTP the eclipse tool didn't but I suspect will 
> shortly).  Wind River presented a discussion illustrating its advantages.
>
> There were suggestions, and it appears a strong degree of consensus, 
> of standardizing a database format, so that could be shared amongst 
> visualization tools.  I think this, and the conversion tools will 
> gather traction.  Something SystemTAP should monitor.
>
>
> Visualization.
>
> Many visualization tools were presented (if I see another useless 
> full-screen snap-shot in a slide I'll scream), most built on eclipse, 
> but a few were not.  While this is a very crowded market, there seems, 
> in mnsho, to still be a need for clear simple visualization tools 
> backed by a databse.
>
> The quote of the day, in describing eclipse, has to be "icon diarrhea".
>
>
> A few of the Talks
>
> Me / Red Hat: SystemTAP / Frysk
> (I got to do both talks).
> What's the status of SystemTAP on the ARM?  Ditto for Frysk.
>
> Robert Winsiewski / IBM: Performance analys and debugging at IBM
> It was as much about IBM as a few other companies Robert had worked 
> for; it have a general history of logging challenges in a number of 
> companies.  Strongly in favor of the marker approach; and set that as 
> a theme.  Two notable ideas were non-locked logging (the in-memory log 
> file format handled synchronization using atomic instructions); and 
> sharing memory logs between user and system.
>
> Elena Zannoni / Oracle: Tracing at Oracle
> Presented the challenges with using SystemTAP in a "binary only / 
> clean room" environment.
>
> Beth Tibbits / IBM: Eclipse Parallel Tools Platform
> Underneath they are using a consolidating process that then, in turn, 
> talks to a distributed collection of gdb processes (makes you cry :-); 
> this basic approach is described in Bevin Brett's paper on making 
> ladebug HPC.  There's work to generalize this, see 
> http://scalabletools.org/
>
> Andrew McDermott / Wind River: Developing OS-agnostic visualization 
> tools.
> Discussed the "DB" approach for managing all that data.
>
> Felix Burton / Wind River: Sensorpoint Technology
> Wind Rivers rough equivalent to SystemTAP.  Use "C" for the probes.
>
>
> -- 
>
> I was asked if SystemTAP is supported on arm (have e-mail address if 
> fche you want to contact them).
>
>