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From: "valera.mironow at gmail dot com" <gcc-bugzilla@gcc.gnu.org>
To: gcc-bugs@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: [Bug libstdc++/106772] atomic<T>::wait shouldn't touch waiter pool if used platform wait
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 23:25:40 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bug-106772-4-w3kfkRKY1z@http.gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bug-106772-4@http.gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/>

https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106772

--- Comment #24 from Mkkt Bkkt <valera.mironow at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Thomas Rodgers from comment #22)
> Your example of '100+ core' systems especially on NUMA is certainly a valid
> one. I would ask, at what point do those collisions and the resulting cache
> invalidation traffic swamp the cost of just making the syscall? I do plan to
> put these tests together, because there is another algorithm that I am
> exploring, that I believe will reduce the likelihood of spurious wakeups,
> and achieves the same result as this particular approach, without generating
> the same invalidation traffic. At this point, I don't anticipate doing that
> work until after GCC13 stage1 closes.

I try to explain: 

syscall overhead is some constant commonly like 10-30ns (futex syscall can be
more expensive like 100ns in your example)

But numbers of cores are grow, arm also makes more popular (fetch_add/sub have
more cost on it compares to x86)
And people already faced with situation where fetch_add have a bigger cost than
syscall overhead:

https://pkolaczk.github.io/server-slower-than-a-laptop/
https://travisdowns.github.io/blog/2020/07/06/concurrency-costs.html

I don't think we will faced with problem like in these links in
atomic::wait/notify in real code, but I'm pretty sure in some cases it can be
more expansive than syscall part of atomic::wait/notify

Of course better to prove it, maybe someday I will do it :(

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-09-28 23:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-29 12:38 [Bug libstdc++/106772] New: " valera.mironow at gmail dot com
2022-08-29 12:40 ` [Bug libstdc++/106772] " valera.mironow at gmail dot com
2022-08-29 15:12 ` rodgertq at gcc dot gnu.org
2022-09-20  3:38 ` rodgertq at gcc dot gnu.org
2022-09-20  7:39 ` valera.mironow at gmail dot com
2022-09-20  7:47 ` valera.mironow at gmail dot com
2022-09-20 14:14 ` rodgertq at gcc dot gnu.org
2022-09-20 14:20 ` valera.mironow at gmail dot com
2022-09-20 14:23 ` valera.mironow at gmail dot com
2022-09-20 14:27 ` valera.mironow at gmail dot com
2022-09-20 14:36 ` redi at gcc dot gnu.org
2022-09-20 14:40 ` rodgertq at gcc dot gnu.org
2022-09-20 14:54 ` valera.mironow at gmail dot com
2022-09-20 15:45 ` valera.mironow at gmail dot com
2022-09-20 15:55 ` redi at gcc dot gnu.org
2022-09-20 16:00 ` valera.mironow at gmail dot com
2022-09-20 16:05 ` valera.mironow at gmail dot com
2022-09-28 21:54 ` rodgertq at gcc dot gnu.org
2022-09-28 22:00 ` valera.mironow at gmail dot com
2022-09-28 22:04 ` valera.mironow at gmail dot com
2022-09-28 22:18 ` valera.mironow at gmail dot com
2022-09-28 22:34 ` rodgertq at gcc dot gnu.org
2022-09-28 22:50 ` rodgertq at gcc dot gnu.org
2022-09-28 23:09 ` valera.mironow at gmail dot com
2022-09-28 23:25 ` valera.mironow at gmail dot com [this message]
2022-09-28 23:40 ` rodgertq at gcc dot gnu.org

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