Re: "Free as in Freedom"

Re: "Free as in Freedom"

[Alexander Verhaeghe]

Always threatening, you're even worse than
Microsoft...
Once again "Free as in Freedom", how dare you to use
this? Please don't forget to mention that you want to
rip me off $300!

--- Robert Dewar <dewar@adacore.com> wrote:

> Alexander Verhaeghe wrote:
> > Quote Jan-Benedict Glaw "So please shut up now."
> > 
> > Quite friendly I must say, it's the german way I
> > suppose of handling things?
> > 
> > To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of
> "Free
> > as in Freedom"!
> 
> If I googled on your name and found this sort of
> absurd post, I would form conclusions right away.
> People will see these quotes for ever, they are
> not going away, they will follow you everywhere,
> is this what you want?
> 
> Do you not understand that it is technically
> impossible
> to remove those posts, there are thousands of copies
> of
> this all over the net. By posting to this list, you
> gave consent to this massing reproduction of what
> you
> wrote, and it cannot be undone.
> 
> Free as in freedom does not allow you to insist on
> other
> people removing your messages, and the idea that it
> violates privacy rules to refuse is absurd. On the
> contrary the operation of freedom here is that
> anyone
> anywhere has the ability and right to copy your
> posts,
> and thousands of people have already taken advantage
> of
> this permission that you gave by posting in the
> first place.
> 
> 


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Re: "Free as in Freedom"

[Steve Kargl]

On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 05:16:37PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote:
> Always threatening, you're even worse than
> Microsoft...
> Once again "Free as in Freedom", how dare you to use
> this? Please don't forget to mention that you want to
> rip me off $300!
> 

Alexander the email you requested removed at this link

http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gcc.fortran/day=20050926#

was written by me.  You have no right to ask for my post
to be removed.  In viewing the above link, you will find

"On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 04:21:19PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote:"

There is no email address at that link.

It is however interesting to read your posts to Lahey and
Microsoft forums.  

I suspect your recent spat of postings here has earned
you many killfile entries.  

-- 
Steve

Re: "Free as in Freedom"

[Robert Dewar]

Alexander Verhaeghe wrote:
> Always threatening, you're even worse than
> Microsoft...
> Once again "Free as in Freedom", how dare you to use
> this? Please don't forget to mention that you want to
> rip me off $300!

First of all, again you are quoting my private
messages.

Second, the $300 has nothing to do with me, though
I see no objection to people charging for work you
ask them to do on your behalf.

Third, can't you get it through your head that
no threats are involved here, just some very
basic statements of facts. You seem to be unaware
of these facts as was clear from your initial post.

This is certainly off-topic noise but on the other
hand perhaps it is instructive to any others
following this list who may be sharing the same
misconceptions as Alexander.

Anyway, I am killing this thread now, and apologies
to anyone annoyed by these messages. In both the
last two cases, I made the mistake of sending
private advice to Alexander, clearly something
that is not helpful in this situation.
> 
> --- Robert Dewar <dewar@adacore.com> wrote:
> 
>> Alexander Verhaeghe wrote:
>>> Quote Jan-Benedict Glaw "So please shut up now."
>>>
>>> Quite friendly I must say, it's the german way I
>>> suppose of handling things?
>>>
>>> To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of
>> "Free
>>> as in Freedom"!
>> If I googled on your name and found this sort of
>> absurd post, I would form conclusions right away.
>> People will see these quotes for ever, they are
>> not going away, they will follow you everywhere,
>> is this what you want?
>>
>> Do you not understand that it is technically
>> impossible
>> to remove those posts, there are thousands of copies
>> of
>> this all over the net. By posting to this list, you
>> gave consent to this massing reproduction of what
>> you
>> wrote, and it cannot be undone.
>>
>> Free as in freedom does not allow you to insist on
>> other
>> people removing your messages, and the idea that it
>> violates privacy rules to refuse is absurd. On the
>> contrary the operation of freedom here is that
>> anyone
>> anywhere has the ability and right to copy your
>> posts,
>> and thousands of people have already taken advantage
>> of
>> this permission that you gave by posting in the
>> first place.
>>
>>
> 
> 
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Re: "Free as in Freedom"

[Alexander Verhaeghe]

Please tell me where I can read this "spat of
postings" so that I can evaluate them. I guess I have
to change emailaddress (not difficult) and name (more
difficult) after this stuff. I never typed so much in
a short time!

--- Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>
wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 05:16:37PM -0700, Alexander
> Verhaeghe wrote:
> > Always threatening, you're even worse than
> > Microsoft...
> > Once again "Free as in Freedom", how dare you to
> use
> > this? Please don't forget to mention that you want
> to
> > rip me off $300!
> > 
> 
> Alexander the email you requested removed at this
> link
> 
>
http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gcc.fortran/day=20050926#
> 
> was written by me.  You have no right to ask for my
> post
> to be removed.  In viewing the above link, you will
> find
> 
> "On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 04:21:19PM -0700, Alexander
> Verhaeghe wrote:"
> 
> There is no email address at that link.
> 
> It is however interesting to read your posts to
> Lahey and
> Microsoft forums.  
> 
> I suspect your recent spat of postings here has
> earned
> you many killfile entries.  
> 
> -- 
> Steve
> 


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Re: "Free as in Freedom"

[Steve Kargl]

On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 05:43:41PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote:
> Please tell me where I can read this "spat of
> postings" so that I can evaluate them. I guess I have
> to change emailaddress (not difficult) and name (more
> difficult) after this stuff. I never typed so much in
> a short time!
> 

Well, to start with you can go to 

http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/fortran/2006-06/

Look for post by "Alexander Verhaeghe".  These posts will
soon be mirrored.  Your google hits are going up.

-- 
Steve

Re: "Free as in Freedom"

[Alexander Verhaeghe]

"It is of course not a threat to point out that
anything you post here will be permanently
associated with your name for ever, and that
there is no way to undo this. This is just a
statement of fact."

There is always a way of undoing things, it's simply a
matter if you want to do so or not, and in this case
clearly not. I don't see any reason why this
conversation will be listed by just mailing a couple
e-mailaddresses which I contacted before numerous
times and no one responded for the simple reason they
don't want to. Just delete all e-mailaddresses and
state clearly that once posted it can not be undone. 

I'm almost sure that your practices are against the
laws of privacy. Tomorrow I will check this out, as a
matter of fact I already did. You have no right to
publish things without permission. If all this crap is
ever to be published, no one will believe, gnu.org is
simply making itself ridiculous by publishing this.

I just got another mail from Christopher Faylor, which
"threatens" to block me from sending mail, why not,
once again so much freedom...
There isn't even freedom of speech here.
Do I continue until I'm blocked?

--- Robert Dewar <dewar@adacore.com> wrote:

> I did not mean my message at all as a threat, but
> just as some helpful advice. Note that it was sent
> only to you, not to the list. It is normally not a
> good idea to post such private messages to a public
> list without permission (and may indeed violate
> copyright, though that's not clear). For sure it is
> a violation of netiquette, so you add that to your
> record here.
> 
> I respond to the list here just to make it clear
> that I did not post the message to the list.
> 
> It is of course not a threat to point out that
> anything you post here will be permanently
> associated with your name for ever, and that
> there is no way to undo this. This is just a
> statement of fact.
> 
> In our modern day and age, people will often google
> a name to find out more about someone, and when they
> do that, all your old posts will appear. Again,
> that's
> not a threat, just a statement of a fact that should
> be clear to anyone posting on any list.
> 
> Alexander Verhaeghe wrote:
> > Go ahead threatening people, it's all what you
> > accomplished so far! You say "Are you really
> sure", I
> > don't even have the chance to say yes or no, so
> much
> > freedom!
> > 
> > That e-mail of $300 I will keep just in case...
> > 
> > --- Robert Dewar <dewar@adacore.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Are you really sure you want the below message to
> be
> >> permanently associated with your name, it is now
> ..
> >> and this association can never be removed. I
> think
> >> you should think before posting any more messages
> >> that will follow you around.
> >>
> >> Alexander Verhaeghe wrote:
> >>> "Free as in Freedom" in
> >>> http://www.gnu.org/home.html#ContactInfo
> >>>
> >>> You're not even able to remove a couple of
> >> messages,
> >>> so how "free" am I now?
> >>> pinskia@physics.uc.edu wanted $300 for removal!
> >>> How "free" am I now? You should be ashamed of
> >>> yourselves!
> >>>
> >>> Not only privacy is not respected,
> >> gerald@pfeifer.com
> >>> also threatened that more hits would be
> generated
> >> in
> >>> the archives, gerald@pfeifer.com shouldn't do
> >> that,
> >>> it's against privacy in case you didn't realize!
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: "Free as in Freedom"

[Jan-Benedict Glaw]

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On Sun, 2006-06-25 17:02:41 -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe <alexanderverhaeghe@yahoo.com> wrote:
> To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of "Free
> as in Freedom"!

Ah, so your understanding of "Freedom" reads like:

   Okay guys, I've sent out some rude emails insulting you a bit about
   your fortran stuff and all. I've put that into publically archived
   mailing lists and I just ignored the fact of "publically archived."
   Well, it seems to fuck up by bio and because of me being lame,
   please waste your time to search the archives for my name and drop
   them all, maybe even including replys etc.

My reading of Freedom is more like:

   Heya, your mailing list archive sux because you cannot easily find
   a people's attitude there. I've taken all the HTML stuff and made
   it useful. With a single click, you can now find out if a person is
   only a lame guy not reading sources or documentation, yelling about
   it's inabilities and not doing any community work.

See the difference? "Freedom", as we see it, is the right to
participate, not the right to let others work for you. But you'll
learn that the other day.

MfG, JBG

-- 
Jan-Benedict Glaw       jbglaw@lug-owl.de    . +49-172-7608481             _ O _
"Eine Freie Meinung in  einem Freien Kopf    | Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg  _ _ O
 für einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger"  | im Internet! |   im Irak!   O O O
ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) & ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA));

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Re: "Free as in Freedom"

[Christopher Faylor]

On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 05:02:41PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote:
>Quote Jan-Benedict Glaw "So please shut up now."
>
>Quite friendly I must say, it's the german way I suppose of handling
>things?
>
>To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of "Free as in Freedom"!

However, you have been told quite clearly what the site policy is.  None
of the mailing lists at gcc.gnu.org are intended to be rant lists so you
really do have to stop sending this type of email since it is off-topic
for every list that you are using.

If you can't stop yourself, then steps will be taken to block you from
sending email here.

Re: "Free as in Freedom"

[Alexander Verhaeghe]

Quote Jan-Benedict Glaw "So please shut up now."

Quite friendly I must say, it's the german way I
suppose of handling things?

To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of "Free
as in Freedom"!

--- Jan-Benedict Glaw <jbglaw@lug-owl.de> wrote:

> On Sun, 2006-06-25 16:44:22 -0700, Alexander
> Verhaeghe <alexanderverhaeghe@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Not only privacy is not respected,
> gerald@pfeifer.com
> > also threatened that more hits would be generated
> in
> > the archives, gerald@pfeifer.com shouldn't do
> that,
> > it's against privacy in case you didn't realize!
> 
> This is the internet. It's where people work
> together and share data.
> If you want to do that in private, use a VPN. If you
> want to be in
> private, just don't post emails to publically
> archived mailing lists.
> 
> That's not hard, but it's too late right now. You've
> done that
> "mistake" and you cannot turn back time.
> 
> So please shut up now.
> 
> MfG, JBG
> 
> -- 
> Jan-Benedict Glaw       jbglaw@lug-owl.de    .
> +49-172-7608481             _ O _
> "Eine Freie Meinung in  einem Freien Kopf    | Gegen
> Zensur | Gegen Krieg  _ _ O
>  für einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger"  | im
> Internet! |   im Irak!   O O O
> ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) &
> ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA));
> 


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Re: "Free as in Freedom"

[Jan-Benedict Glaw]

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On Sun, 2006-06-25 16:44:22 -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe <alexanderverhaeghe@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Not only privacy is not respected, gerald@pfeifer.com
> also threatened that more hits would be generated in
> the archives, gerald@pfeifer.com shouldn't do that,
> it's against privacy in case you didn't realize!

This is the internet. It's where people work together and share data.
If you want to do that in private, use a VPN. If you want to be in
private, just don't post emails to publically archived mailing lists.

That's not hard, but it's too late right now. You've done that
"mistake" and you cannot turn back time.

So please shut up now.

MfG, JBG

-- 
Jan-Benedict Glaw       jbglaw@lug-owl.de    . +49-172-7608481             _ O _
"Eine Freie Meinung in  einem Freien Kopf    | Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg  _ _ O
 für einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger"  | im Internet! |   im Irak!   O O O
ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) & ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA));

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"Free as in Freedom"

[Alexander Verhaeghe]

"Free as in Freedom" in
http://www.gnu.org/home.html#ContactInfo

You're not even able to remove a couple of messages,
so how "free" am I now?
pinskia@physics.uc.edu wanted $300 for removal!
How "free" am I now? You should be ashamed of
yourselves!

Not only privacy is not respected, gerald@pfeifer.com
also threatened that more hits would be generated in
the archives, gerald@pfeifer.com shouldn't do that,
it's against privacy in case you didn't realize!

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