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From: "Arsen Arsenović" <arsen@aarsen.me>
To: Sandra Loosemore <sandra@codesourcery.com>
Cc: gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org, Gerald Pfeifer <gerald@pfeifer.com>,
	Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/5] docs: Create Indices appendix
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2023 11:12:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86ilfa6xhw.fsf@aarsen.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9dd976a4-4e09-d901-b949-6d5037567b9b@codesourcery.com>

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Sandra Loosemore <sandra@codesourcery.com> writes:

> On 2/23/23 03:27, Arsen Arsenović via Gcc-patches wrote:
>> The GCC manual has multiple indices.  By creating an appendix which
>> lists them, we help makeinfo present a more accessible way for the
>> reader to see all the indices.
>> gcc/ChangeLog:
>> 	* doc/gcc.texi: Add the Indices appendix, to make texinfo
>> 	generate nice indices overview page.
>> 	(@copying): Move "This file documents the use of the GNU
>> 	compilers" into @copying.  Add quotations around cover texts.
>
>
> I guess this patch is OK and is necessary to smooth over some misfeatures
> in newer versions of Texinfo.  In particular, comparing your sample output
> https://www.aarsen.me/~arsen/final/gcc.html/index.html
>
> to my own fresh Texinfo 6.7-generated version with your patches applied, and
> the existing online documention like
>
> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-12.2.0/gcc/index.html
>
> the order of the "Short Table of Contents" and longer "Table of Contents" have
> been switched, so that in the new version you have to scroll all the way down
> to the bottom of the page (ugh) to click on "Option Index".  (Frankly, this
> seems like a misfeature; the point of having a "Short Table of Contents" is
> *not* to have to page through the long one to find a particular chapter.)
>
> I guess that is a Texinfo change?  gcc.texi still has:
>
> @summarycontents
> @contents
>
> in that order.

Hm, I hadn't noticed that..  That is odd.  I'll figure out why this
happens later today.  Thanks for raising this to my attention.

> OTOH, I see that in your new version there is now a line with links
> [Contents][Index] before the Introduction.  If adding this new appendix makes
> the [Index] link point at the indices, I think it is OK, although I'm still
> worried that the overall effect (even without the new version of Texinfo) is
> making the indices harder to find.
>
> I wonder, could we add something to the Introduction text like
>
> Tip: This manual is very long.  If you're looking for something in particular,
> try searching the @ref{Option Index} or @ref{Concept and Symbol Index}.
>
> ???

I think this is a good idea in either case.  It should certainly help
users unaccustomed to Texinfo in locating things quickly.

> -Sandra


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Arsen Arsenović

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-09 10:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-23 10:27 [PATCH v2 0/5] A small Texinfo refinement Arsen Arsenović
2023-02-23 10:27 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] docs: Create Indices appendix Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-09  3:16   ` Sandra Loosemore
2023-03-09 10:12     ` Arsen Arsenović [this message]
2023-03-09 20:38     ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-11  1:12       ` Sandra Loosemore
2023-03-11  1:34         ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-11 12:22         ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-11 19:22           ` Gerald Pfeifer
2023-03-11 20:22             ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-11 19:34           ` Sandra Loosemore
2023-03-11 20:14             ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-11 20:32               ` [PATCH v2] html: Set CONTENTS_OUTPUT_LOCATION=inline if makeinfo supports it Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-12 10:25               ` [PATCH v2 1/5] docs: Create Indices appendix Gerald Pfeifer
2023-03-12 12:23                 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-02-23 10:27 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] **/*.texi: Reorder index entries Arsen Arsenović
2023-02-23 23:50   ` Gerald Pfeifer
2023-02-23 10:27 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] doc: Add @defbuiltin family of helpers, set documentlanguage Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-09 23:50   ` Sandra Loosemore
2023-02-23 10:27 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] Update texinfo.tex, remove the @gol macro/alias Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-09 23:55   ` Sandra Loosemore
2023-03-10  0:17     ` Gerald Pfeifer
2023-03-10 10:33       ` Thomas Schwinge
2023-03-10 12:49         ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-10 15:51           ` Gerald Pfeifer
2023-03-10 15:58             ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-10 12:48     ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-10 15:49     ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-18 20:14       ` Ping (gcc/configure.ac, docs): " Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-20 22:01         ` Sandra Loosemore
2023-03-20 23:06           ` Joseph Myers
2023-03-20 23:27             ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-20 23:35           ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-21  9:52             ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-21 23:11               ` Gerald Pfeifer
2023-02-23 10:27 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] update_web_docs_git: Update CSS reference to new manual CSS Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-10  0:07   ` Sandra Loosemore
2023-03-10 13:00     ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-02-25 22:04 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] A small Texinfo refinement Thomas Schwinge
2023-02-26 14:54   ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-08  1:56 ` Sandra Loosemore
2023-03-08  9:11   ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-08 18:38     ` Sandra Loosemore
2023-03-08 21:22       ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-09  1:09         ` Sandra Loosemore
2023-03-09  1:19           ` Andrew Pinski
2023-03-09  8:26             ` Richard Biener
2023-03-09 23:35               ` Sandra Loosemore
2023-03-10  8:50                 ` Iain Sandoe
2023-03-10 17:51                   ` Sandra Loosemore
2023-03-10 18:09                     ` Sandra Loosemore
2023-03-10 19:00                     ` Gerald Pfeifer
2023-03-13  9:05                       ` Richard Biener
2023-03-13 11:01                         ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-05-29 15:06                       ` NightStrike
2023-05-29 17:26                         ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-05-29 19:27                           ` Sandra Loosemore
2023-03-09 10:22           ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-09  8:28       ` Gerald Pfeifer

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