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From: Kito Cheng <kito.cheng@sifive.com>
To: Jeff Law <jeffreyalaw@gmail.com>
Cc: "Christoph Müllner" <christoph.muellner@vrull.eu>,
	钟居哲 <juzhe.zhong@rivai.ai>, gcc-patches <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org>,
	"kito.cheng" <kito.cheng@gmail.com>,
	"cooper.joshua" <cooper.joshua@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"rdapp.gcc" <rdapp.gcc@gmail.com>,
	"philipp.tomsich" <philipp.tomsich@vrull.eu>,
	"Cooper Qu" <cooper.qu@linux.alibaba.com>,
	jinma <jinma@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Nelson Chu" <nelson@rivosinc.com>
Subject: Re: RISC-V: Support XTheadVector extensions
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 06:48:12 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALLt3Tg9yC3cZWU5Xigw43FncoRZk0-LAzWOW5qKa75+Vj0gCA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <81fc1cc3-2fa2-4cac-a0b1-5272a2a09535@gmail.com>

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I am less worry about the thead vector combined with other zv extension,
instead we should reject those combinations at all.

My reason is thead vector is transitional products, they won't have any
further new products with that longer, also it's not compatible with all
other zv extension in theory, zv extension requires at least zve32x which
is subset of v1p0, and I don't think it's valid to use thead vector as
replacement required extension - it should just introduce another thead
vector extension instead.



Jeff Law <jeffreyalaw@gmail.com> 於 2023年11月23日 週四 06:27 寫道:

>
>
> On 11/22/23 07:24, Christoph Müllner wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 2:52 PM 钟居哲 <juzhe.zhong@rivai.ai> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am totally ok to approve theadvector on GCC-14 before stage 3 close
> >> as long as it doesn't touch the current RVV codes too much and binutils
> supports theadvector.
> >>
> >> I have provided the draft approach:
> >> https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc-patches/2023-November/637349.html
> >> which turns out doesn't need to change any codes of vector.md.
> >> I strongly suggest follow this draft. I can be actively review
> theadvector during stage 3.
> >> And hopefully can help you land theadvector on GCC-14.
> >
> > I see now two approaches:
> > 1) Let GCC emit RVV instructions for XTheadVector for instructions
> > that are in both
> > 2) Use the ASM_OUTPUT_OPCODE hook to output "th." for these instructions
> >
> > No doubt, the ASM_OUTPUT_OPCODE hook approach is better than our
> > format-string approach, but would 1) not be the even better
> > solution? It would also mean, that not a single test case is required
> > for these overlapping instructions (only a few tests that ensure that
> > we don't emit RVV instructions that are not available in
> > XTheadVector). Besides that, letting GCC emit RVV instructions for
> > XTheadVector is a very clever idea, because it fully utilizes the
> > fact that both extensions overlap to a huge degree.
> >
> > The ASM_OUTPUT_OPCODE approach could lead to an issue if we enable
> XTheadVector
> > with any other vector extension, say Zvfoo. In this case the Zvfoo
> > instructions will all be prefixed as well with "th.". I know that it
> > is not likely to run into this problem (such a machine does not exist
> > in real hardware), but it is possible to trigger this issue easily
> > and approach 1) would not have this potential issue.
> I'm not a big fan of the ASM_OUTPUT_OPCODE approach.    While it is
> simple, I worry a bit about it from a long term maintenance standpoint.
> As you note we could well end up at some point with an extension that
> has an mnenomic starting with "v" that would blow up.  But I certainly
> see the appeal of such a simple test to support thead vector.
>
> Given there are at least 3 approaches that can fix that problem (%^,
> assembler dialect or ASM_OUTPUT_OPCODE), maybe we could set that
> discussion aside in the immediate term and see if there are other issues
> that are potentially more substantial.
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> More generally, I think I need to soften my prior statement about
> deferring this to gcc-15.  This code was submitted in time for the
> gcc-14 deadline, so it should be evaluated just like we do anything else
> that makes the deadline.  There are various criteria we use to evaluate
> if something should get integrated and we should just work through this
> series like we always do and not treat it specially in any way.
>
>
> jeff
>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-11-22 22:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <202311171939484236058@rivai.ai>
2023-11-17 13:41 ` juzhe.zhong
2023-11-22 10:07   ` Christoph Müllner
2023-11-22 13:52     ` 钟居哲
2023-11-22 14:24       ` Christoph Müllner
2023-11-22 22:27         ` Jeff Law
2023-11-22 22:40           ` 钟居哲
2023-11-22 22:48           ` Kito Cheng [this message]
2023-11-22 23:37             ` Christoph Müllner
2023-11-17 11:39 juzhe.zhong
2023-11-17 16:47 ` Jeff Law
2023-11-18  9:45   ` Philipp Tomsich
2023-11-18 10:32     ` Kito Cheng
2023-11-17 17:11 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2023-11-17 23:16   ` 钟居哲
2023-11-18  0:01     ` Jeff Law
2023-11-28 19:45       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2023-11-28 22:14         ` Jeff Law
2023-11-18  9:11 ` Christoph Müllner

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