From: Jeff Law <jeffreyalaw@gmail.com>
To: Richard Biener <richard.guenther@gmail.com>
Cc: 钟居哲 <juzhe.zhong@rivai.ai>, gcc-patches <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org>,
"kito.cheng" <kito.cheng@gmail.com>, palmer <palmer@dabbelt.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] RISC-V: Fix RVV mask mode size
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2022 13:46:10 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d1819835-5eba-7a23-c2c3-1e875c1f34d1@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFiYyc2pbx43X4_gObAX3yGrLFiiJKa_NvqfUJb2Wjkfa4Hzmw@mail.gmail.com>
On 12/19/22 00:44, Richard Biener wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 2:54 AM Jeff Law via Gcc-patches
> <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/16/22 18:44, 钟居哲 wrote:
>>> Yes, VNx4DF only has 4 bit in mask mode in case of load and store.
>>> For example vlm or vsm we will load store 8-bit ??? (I am not sure
>>> hardward can load store 4bit,but I am sure it definetly not load store
>>> the whole register size)
>> Most likely than not you end up loading a larger quantity with the high
>> bits zero'd. Interesting that we're using a packed model. I'd been
>> told it was fairly expensive to implement in hardware relative to teh
>> cost of implementing the sparse model.
>
> Since the masks are extra inputs if you use a packed model you need
> to wire less bits into the execution units for the masks which I guess
> is actually cheaper. Yes, producing the masks might be more complicated.
We went through this at a prior employer and the hardware guys argued
strongly that a packed model for mask registers was just too expensive
to implement. I don't think it was the # of wires, but the muxes. The
number of wires into the unit was an issue when we started talking about
sub-byte masking :-)
Conceptually on the hardware side each bit in the mask corresponds to a
byte in a vector register. When the element size is 8 bits, then
obviously there is a 1:1 correspondence between potentially masked
elements and bits the mask register.
When the element size is 32 bits, then there are 3 don't care bits in
the mask register, then a single bit that is queried for masked
operations. So if you had a 128bit vector with 32 bits per element, a
mask register might have a value like:
0xxx 1xxx 1xxx 0xxx
A 128 bit vector with 64 bits per element might be:
0xxx xxxx 1xxx xxxx
Where the xxxs are don't cares and the 0/1 are the masks.
>
> The only "issue" might be with 4, 2 and 1 bit masks which would
> have a size of 8 bits but a precision of less that endianess might
> play a role.
>
> Btw, this is all similar to AVX512 where we even don't use
> vector BI modes but integer modes for the mask which
> then becomes QImode for 1, 2, 4 and 8 bit masks and
> HImode for 16, SImode for 32 and DImode for 64 bit masks.
Right. I think in hindsight that might have been a mistake.
jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-12-27 20:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-12-14 6:48 juzhe.zhong
2022-12-16 20:22 ` Jeff Law
2022-12-17 1:44 ` 钟居哲
2022-12-17 1:53 ` Jeff Law
2022-12-17 2:15 ` 钟居哲
2022-12-19 7:44 ` Richard Biener
2022-12-27 20:46 ` Jeff Law [this message]
2023-01-09 7:43 ` Richard Biener
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