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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stan Shebs <shebs@apple.com>
Cc: gdb@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: Using reverse execution
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 03:42:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <uacig5n94.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43277083.1040708@apple.com> (message from Stan Shebs on Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:36:19 -0700)

> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:36:19 -0700
> From: Stan Shebs <shebs@apple.com>
> Cc: gdb@sources.redhat.com
> 
> I think it's a strong and unproven claim to say that the backwards
> reasoning of the mental deduction process implies that users will
> find reverse execution a natural mode of debugging.

I find this natural to the degree that it doesn't need any proof.

> Stepping backwards from the else clause
> of an if, or from a label to the goto can be kind of jarring.

That's not what you do when you trace a bug.  You start from the place
where, e.g., the program gets a SIGSEGV, and then unroll it back to
possible places where the corruption could have happened.  That is,
you try to guess where the problem could have originated from, and
then get there and look around for clues.  I don't find this jarring
in any way.

> >The challenge is to implement going backwards in a way that won't
> >overcomplicate its usage.  But I think we can manage that, if we rely
> >on checkpoints and implement going backwards by unrolling to the
> >previous checkpoint and then stepping forward.
> >
> >
> That's the general implementation theory, complicated by shared
> memory, thread switching, multiple CPUs, and other nasty things. :-)

Life is full of complications.  That doesn't mean we should do
nothing, just that we should understand the limitations.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-14  3:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-13  1:17 Stan Shebs
2005-09-13  3:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-09-14  0:36   ` Stan Shebs
2005-09-14  3:42     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2005-09-14 22:34       ` Stan Shebs
2005-09-15  3:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-09-15  5:36           ` Stan Shebs
2005-09-15 15:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-09-15 18:02               ` Jason Molenda
2005-09-15 20:12                 ` Stan Shebs
2005-09-16 10:42                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-09-16 14:00                     ` Stan Shebs
2005-09-16 16:22                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-09-16 18:03                         ` Stan Shebs
2005-09-16 20:50                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-09-23 23:20                             ` Stan Shebs
2005-09-16 17:50                       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-09-16 10:43                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-09-13 18:11 ` Min Xu (Hsu)
2005-09-13 22:01   ` Jim Blandy
2005-09-14  0:42     ` Stan Shebs
2005-09-16 12:03 ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2005-09-20 22:47 Michael Snyder
2005-09-20 22:56 Michael Snyder
2005-09-20 23:14 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-09-21  3:40   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-09-21  4:00     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-09-21 17:52       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-09-21 20:37       ` Michael Snyder
2005-09-24  0:46         ` Stan Shebs
2005-09-24  1:10           ` Michael Snyder
2005-09-24 10:05           ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-09-27 22:00           ` Jim Blandy
2005-09-21  4:03     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-09-21 16:56 ` Paul Gilliam
2005-09-23 23:44 ` Stan Shebs
2005-09-20 23:11 Michael Snyder
2005-09-24  0:07 ` Stan Shebs

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