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From: "ppluzhnikov at google dot com" <sourceware-bugzilla@sourceware.org>
To: glibc-bugs@sources.redhat.com
Subject: [Bug libc/11787] Program with large TLS segment fails aio_write
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:28:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bug-11787-131-TbDxWAPBny@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bug-11787-131@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/>

http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11787

--- Comment #25 from Paul Pluzhnikov <ppluzhnikov at google dot com> 2012-03-30 16:44:43 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #24)
> I think the real question here isn't the change in the size of the stack but
> the increase in the # of pages and potential wastage.
> 
> If the TLS is small won't we end up burning an entire page for this small
> amount of data?  For apps that use small stacks and lots of threads, that extra
> page could turn out to be significant.

Yes, as I said in comment#12, an application that may notice this is one
that uses lots of threads, and is *almost* running out of VM space.

> I'm not sure I really buy the argument that if a thread asks for 16k that they
> get exactly 16k usable.

Let's also make "malloc(16K)" return 16K or less of usable memory ;-)

> There's no perfect solution here.  I wonder if we could come up with a good
> heuristic based on the relative sizes of the TLS and thread requested stack. 

Great idea!

> If the TLS is sufficiently small relative to the size of the requested stack,
> then just fold the TLS into the requested stack like we've always done. 
> Otherwise, add the size of the TLS to the size of the requested stack (rounding
> to a page of course).  Harder to document and implement, but seems like it'd
> strike a better balance.
> 
> I don't know where the cutoff should be, 1%, 10%, 50%? Some experimentation may
> guide us.

Given the data Mike Frysinger and I collected (most binaries using <512
bytes of TLS), I say:

  if stack_size_requested >= 16 * __static_tls_sze 
    use current calculation
  else
    increment size request by roundup(__static_tls_size, pagesize())

Most applications today request at least 64K stack (most actually default
to *much* more than that), which would allow up to 4K of static TLS.

But if that same application is instrumented for profiling and suddenly
requires 128K of TLS, it would still work.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-03-30 16:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <bug-11787-131@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/>
2012-02-24  4:35 ` ppluzhnikov at google dot com
2012-02-24 19:36 ` asharif.tools at gmail dot com
2012-03-22 21:48 ` asharif.tools at gmail dot com
2012-03-23 20:35 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2012-03-23 20:37 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-03-23 20:39 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-03-23 21:33 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-03-23 22:07 ` ppluzhnikov at google dot com
2012-03-23 22:47 ` asharif.tools at gmail dot com
2012-03-23 22:51 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-03-23 23:02 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-03-23 23:03 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-03-24  2:22 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-03-24 10:30 ` ppluzhnikov at google dot com
2012-03-24 16:10 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-03-24 17:08 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-03-24 17:39 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2012-03-24 18:30 ` ppluzhnikov at google dot com
2012-03-24 20:13 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-03-24 20:46 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-03-24 20:57 ` ppluzhnikov at google dot com
2012-03-25  2:01 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-03-25 23:16 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2012-03-26 14:29 ` joseph at codesourcery dot com
2012-03-26 17:44 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-03-27 21:21 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-03-30 16:21 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-03-30 16:46 ` law at redhat dot com
2012-03-30 21:28 ` ppluzhnikov at google dot com [this message]
2012-04-01 19:47 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-04-24 22:03 ` asharif.tools at gmail dot com
2012-04-24 22:36 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-04-25  2:55 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2012-04-25 18:25 ` asharif.tools at gmail dot com
2012-04-25 20:11 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-05-07 21:22 ` [Bug libc/11787] Program with large TLS segments fail carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-05-17 14:11 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-05-22  7:05 ` siddhesh at redhat dot com
2012-05-23 16:41 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-05-23 17:09 ` siddhesh at redhat dot com
2012-05-23 17:09 ` siddhesh at redhat dot com
2012-06-05 15:15 ` ian at airs dot com
2012-11-19  6:18 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-12-03 23:52 ` carlos at systemhalted dot org
2012-12-03 23:53 ` carlos at systemhalted dot org
2013-04-26 18:06 ` ppluzhnikov at google dot com
2013-04-27  2:02 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2013-05-22 18:40 ` carlos at redhat dot com
2013-09-13 21:45 ` bas at bmail dot ru
2013-11-23  9:05 ` david.abdurachmanov at gmail dot com
2013-11-23  9:20 ` david.abdurachmanov at gmail dot com
2013-11-24 15:58 ` carlos at redhat dot com
2014-02-16 19:42 ` jackie.rosen at hushmail dot com
2014-05-28 19:41 ` schwab at sourceware dot org
2014-06-30 17:33 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2014-07-02  6:06 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2015-03-23  2:50 ` andersk at mit dot edu
2015-08-22 21:36 ` [Bug dynamic-link/11787] " jsm28 at gcc dot gnu.org
2020-06-15 16:23 ` john.wellesz at hiventy dot com
2021-06-19  8:05 ` a3at.mail at gmail dot com
2022-01-26  6:44 ` sam at gentoo dot org
2022-06-07  8:09 ` i at maskray dot me
2022-11-06 20:12 ` i at maskray dot me
2010-07-02 23:02 [Bug libc/11787] New: Program with large TLS segment fails aio_write ppluzhnikov at google dot com
2010-07-02 23:03 ` [Bug libc/11787] " ppluzhnikov at google dot com

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