Re: Windows GUI to GDB on Mac OS X

Re: Windows GUI to GDB on Mac OS X

[Jim Ingham]

Susan,

Well, there is Project Builder, which is (at least the Debugger part) 
just a GUI debugger running on top of gdb.  It's free, and comes on the 
Developer tools CD...

Anyway, if you want Insight in particular, that will take some work.  
It probably wouldn't be all that hard to get an X11 version of Insight 
to build (Fink makes installing the X11 bits pretty easy).  The Apple 
gdb repository is (with the exception of lots of local source mods) 
very close to the FSF structure.  There are a couple of the local mods 
that are likely to cause trouble, however.  We added a switchable 
interpreter model at Apple, which Keith merged back for us, but we 
haven't picked up the merged version (it actually hasn't been committed 
to the FSF tree yet.)  That is likely to cause some problems.  Also, we 
changed the varobj code to handle some of the other requirements that 
PB had.  But I haven't done any work yet to make sure Insight continues 
to work, so it is likely these will cause Insight heartburn...  But a 
bold and intrepid hacker could probably get something working without 
breaking too much of a sweat.

The other option is DDD, which might work on the gdb that ships with 
the Developer tools.  We don't use the annotations at all, so we didn't 
change them.  Emacs' gud mode works fine with our gdb, so maybe DDD 
will.  Again, you will have to build the X11 version of this, though 
Fink may have a built one available already.

Jim

On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 06:43  AM, 
insight-digest-help@sources.redhat.com wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am trying to find a GUI to GDB running on a Mac OS X box.  I have to 
> do Mac
> OS X development and I do this from my Windows machine using a terminal
> program.  I really like GUI debuggers so I was hoping there is a 
> solution that
> will give me a GUI interface to GDB running on the Mac OS X box.  Has 
> anyone
> tried this before?  Does anyone know of something that might work?
>
> Thanks,
> Susan
>
> ======================================================================
> Susan G. Conger                 Custom Windows & Macintosh Development
> President                                Web Site Design & Development
> YOERIC Corporation                       Database Design & Development
> 256 Windy Ridge Road
> Chapel Hill, NC  27517
> Phone/Fax: (919)542-0071
> congers@yoeric.com
> www.yoeric.com
>
--
Jim Ingham                                   jingham@apple.com
Developer Tools
Apple Computer

Re: Windows GUI to GDB on Mac OS X

[Fernando Nasser]

Jim,

If I understood right, she wants to do just the opposite.  her local 
machine is a Windows machine and the remote one is the Mac one.

That is why I suggested running gdbserver on the Mac OS X (should build 
with no problem, I believe).  Then she can use GDB (thus Insight) from 
her Windows machine, connecting to the gdbserver target.

gdbserver is currently very complete, handles threads etc...

Cheers,
Fernando

Jim Ingham wrote:
> Susan,
> 
> Well, there is Project Builder, which is (at least the Debugger part) 
> just a GUI debugger running on top of gdb.  It's free, and comes on the 
> Developer tools CD...
> 
> Anyway, if you want Insight in particular, that will take some work.  It 
> probably wouldn't be all that hard to get an X11 version of Insight to 
> build (Fink makes installing the X11 bits pretty easy).  The Apple gdb 
> repository is (with the exception of lots of local source mods) very 
> close to the FSF structure.  There are a couple of the local mods that 
> are likely to cause trouble, however.  We added a switchable interpreter 
> model at Apple, which Keith merged back for us, but we haven't picked up 
> the merged version (it actually hasn't been committed to the FSF tree 
> yet.)  That is likely to cause some problems.  Also, we changed the 
> varobj code to handle some of the other requirements that PB had.  But I 
> haven't done any work yet to make sure Insight continues to work, so it 
> is likely these will cause Insight heartburn...  But a bold and intrepid 
> hacker could probably get something working without breaking too much of 
> a sweat.
> 
> The other option is DDD, which might work on the gdb that ships with the 
> Developer tools.  We don't use the annotations at all, so we didn't 
> change them.  Emacs' gud mode works fine with our gdb, so maybe DDD 
> will.  Again, you will have to build the X11 version of this, though 
> Fink may have a built one available already.
> 
> Jim
> 
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 06:43  AM, 
> insight-digest-help@sources.redhat.com wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to find a GUI to GDB running on a Mac OS X box.  I have to 
>> do Mac
>> OS X development and I do this from my Windows machine using a terminal
>> program.  I really like GUI debuggers so I was hoping there is a 
>> solution that
>> will give me a GUI interface to GDB running on the Mac OS X box.  Has 
>> anyone
>> tried this before?  Does anyone know of something that might work?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Susan
>>
>> ======================================================================
>> Susan G. Conger                 Custom Windows & Macintosh Development
>> President                                Web Site Design & Development
>> YOERIC Corporation                       Database Design & Development
>> 256 Windy Ridge Road
>> Chapel Hill, NC  27517
>> Phone/Fax: (919)542-0071
>> congers@yoeric.com
>> www.yoeric.com
>>
> -- 
> Jim Ingham                                   jingham@apple.com
> Developer Tools
> Apple Computer
> 


-- 
Fernando Nasser
Red Hat Canada Ltd.                     E-Mail:  fnasser@redhat.com
2323 Yonge Street, Suite #300
Toronto, Ontario   M4P 2C9

Re: Windows GUI to GDB on Mac OS X

[Jim Ingham]

Fernando,

On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 11:19  AM, Fernando Nasser wrote:

> Jim,
>
> If I understood right, she wants to do just the opposite.  her local  
> machine is a Windows machine and the remote one is the Mac one.
>

Oh, yeah, I didn't read this closely enough...  Sorry for the noise.

> That is why I suggested running gdbserver on the Mac OS X (should  
> build with no problem, I believe).  Then she can use GDB (thus  
> Insight) from her Windows machine, connecting to the gdbserver target.
>
> gdbserver is currently very complete, handles threads etc...
>

But gdbserver doesn't use the gdb target code, it has its own  
implementation of process & thread handling, register & memory reading,  
etc...  The linux-low code won't work on Mac OS X, it is a pretty  
different OS from Linux.  So we would have to actually port gdbserver  
to Mac OS X, which we haven't done yet.

Sadly, the best Susan is going to be able to do is to run the emacs  
mode in her terminal window (hardly a gui, but a little better than a  
command line)

Jim

> Cheers,
> Fernando
>
> Jim Ingham wrote:
>> Susan,
>> Well, there is Project Builder, which is (at least the Debugger part)  
>> just a GUI debugger running on top of gdb.  It's free, and comes on  
>> the Developer tools CD...
>> Anyway, if you want Insight in particular, that will take some work.   
>> It probably wouldn't be all that hard to get an X11 version of  
>> Insight to build (Fink makes installing the X11 bits pretty easy).   
>> The Apple gdb repository is (with the exception of lots of local  
>> source mods) very close to the FSF structure.  There are a couple of  
>> the local mods that are likely to cause trouble, however.  We added a  
>> switchable interpreter model at Apple, which Keith merged back for  
>> us, but we haven't picked up the merged version (it actually hasn't  
>> been committed to the FSF tree yet.)  That is likely to cause some  
>> problems.  Also, we changed the varobj code to handle some of the  
>> other requirements that PB had.  But I haven't done any work yet to  
>> make sure Insight continues to work, so it is likely these will cause  
>> Insight heartburn...  But a bold and intrepid hacker could probably  
>> get something working without breaking too much of a sweat.
>> The other option is DDD, which might work on the gdb that ships with  
>> the Developer tools.  We don't use the annotations at all, so we  
>> didn't change them.  Emacs' gud mode works fine with our gdb, so  
>> maybe DDD will.  Again, you will have to build the X11 version of  
>> this, though Fink may have a built one available already.
>> Jim
>> On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 06:43  AM,  
>> insight-digest-help@sources.redhat.com wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am trying to find a GUI to GDB running on a Mac OS X box.  I have  
>>> to do Mac
>>> OS X development and I do this from my Windows machine using a  
>>> terminal
>>> program.  I really like GUI debuggers so I was hoping there is a  
>>> solution that
>>> will give me a GUI interface to GDB running on the Mac OS X box.   
>>> Has anyone
>>> tried this before?  Does anyone know of something that might work?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Susan
>>>
>>> ===================================================================== 
>>> =
>>> Susan G. Conger                 Custom Windows & Macintosh  
>>> Development
>>> President                                Web Site Design &  
>>> Development
>>> YOERIC Corporation                       Database Design &  
>>> Development
>>> 256 Windy Ridge Road
>>> Chapel Hill, NC  27517
>>> Phone/Fax: (919)542-0071
>>> congers@yoeric.com
>>> www.yoeric.com
>>>
>> -- 
>> Jim Ingham                                   jingham@apple.com
>> Developer Tools
>> Apple Computer
>
>
> -- 
> Fernando Nasser
> Red Hat Canada Ltd.                     E-Mail:  fnasser@redhat.com
> 2323 Yonge Street, Suite #300
> Toronto, Ontario   M4P 2C9
>
>
--
Jim Ingham                                   jingham@apple.com
Developer Tools
Apple Computer

Re: Windows GUI to GDB on Mac OS X

[Kai Ruottu]

Jim Ingham <jingham@apple.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 11:19  AM, Fernando Nasser wrote:
> > If I understood right, she wants to do just the opposite.  her local  
> > machine is a Windows machine and the remote one is the Mac one.
> > That is why I suggested running gdbserver on the Mac OS X (should  
> > build with no problem, I believe).  Then she can use GDB (thus  
> > Insight) from her Windows machine, connecting to the gdbserver target.

 Maybe I have dropped from the wagon, but using X apps from Windoze
or from any other system which has the needed 'X11 Server' installed,
should still be possible.  In 1990 or 1991 one of my customers
purchased a 30 'MIPS' DECstation (with MIPS CPU) and two Tektronix X-
terminals connected to it via the LAN.  The nondisk-terminals had the
X11-servers and three persons could use the same CAD-program at the
same time... It was sane because the DECstation costed about $15.000
and the X11-terminals maybe $1000 apiece...

 And in 1997 I personally installed some commercial (but a limited-
time trial-version was downloadable from the net) into 10 or
so Windoze-PCs (with Win95's) and then students in that classroom
could use some electronics design program running on a SunStation...

 Since then I haven't needed to toy with these things...

 If the MacOS X system has X11, has a X11-based Insight and Susan
gets some X11-server for Windoze, what is the problem now ?  As I
understand this, only the screen, keyboard and mouse have been
'moved' via the lan into the Windoze-station but the Insight itself
runs on MacOS X and shouldn't care about where the screen, keyboard
and mouse are...

 If the 30 MIPS DECstation was powerful enough for three engineers
to use it at the same time in 1991, how the current 1000+ MIPS Unix-
stations are not sane to be 'shared' via the 100/1000 Megabit/s
'Fast Ethernets' ?  Ok, these are cheaper now, but still using apps
running on different systems via the lan can be perfectly sane... I
would be quite sure that this was the original idea for X, not the
graphical UI (as it is in Windoze)...

Cheers, Kai

Windows GUI to GDB on Mac OS X

[Susan G. Conger]

Hi,

I am trying to find a GUI to GDB running on a Mac OS X box.  I have to do Mac
OS X development and I do this from my Windows machine using a terminal
program.  I really like GUI debuggers so I was hoping there is a solution that
will give me a GUI interface to GDB running on the Mac OS X box.  Has anyone
tried this before?  Does anyone know of something that might work?

Thanks,
Susan

======================================================================
Susan G. Conger                 Custom Windows & Macintosh Development
President                                Web Site Design & Development
YOERIC Corporation                       Database Design & Development
256 Windy Ridge Road
Chapel Hill, NC  27517
Phone/Fax: (919)542-0071
congers@yoeric.com
www.yoeric.com

Windows GUI to GDB on Mac OS X

[Susan G. Conger]

Hi,

I am trying to find a GUI to GDB running on a Mac OS X box.  I have to do Mac
OS X development and I do this from my Windows machine using a terminal
program.  I really like GUI debuggers so I was hoping there is a solution that
will give me a GUI interface to GDB running on the Mac OS X box.  Has anyone
tried this before?  Does anyone know of something that might work?

Thanks,
Susan

======================================================================
Susan G. Conger                 Custom Windows & Macintosh Development
President                                Web Site Design & Development
YOERIC Corporation                       Database Design & Development
256 Windy Ridge Road
Chapel Hill, NC  27517
Phone/Fax: (919)542-0071
congers@yoeric.com
www.yoeric.com

Re: Windows GUI to GDB on Mac OS X

[Fernando Nasser]

It is called remote debugging and it is very common.

Check if you can get a copy of the gdbserver program that works on the 
Mac OS X box (it probably does).  Then you can use Insight (GDB) to 
connect to it.

Ask about the gdbserver on the GDB list:  gdb@sources.redhat.com

Get a copy of Insight that works on Cygwin (install Cygwin if you need).

Good luck,
Fernando

Susan G. Conger wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to find a GUI to GDB running on a Mac OS X box.  I have to do Mac
> OS X development and I do this from my Windows machine using a terminal
> program.  I really like GUI debuggers so I was hoping there is a solution that
> will give me a GUI interface to GDB running on the Mac OS X box.  Has anyone
> tried this before?  Does anyone know of something that might work?
> 



-- 
Fernando Nasser
Red Hat Canada Ltd.                     E-Mail:  fnasser@redhat.com
2323 Yonge Street, Suite #300
Toronto, Ontario   M4P 2C9