From: Andrew Haley <aph@redhat.com>
To: Mark Mitchell <mark@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Ian Lance Taylor <iant@google.com>,
gcc@gcc.gnu.org, java@gcc.gnu.org,
gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org, java-patches@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: PATCH RFA: Do not build java by default
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:47:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CE4F92C.4020905@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CE4F09F.7010605@codesourcery.com>
On 11/18/2010 09:23 AM, Mark Mitchell wrote:
> On 11/11/2010 3:20 PM, Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Ian Lance Taylor <iant@google.com> wrote:
>>> Currently we build the Java frontend and libjava by default. At the GCC
>>> Summit we raised the question of whether should turn this off, thus only
>>> building it when java is explicitly selected at configure time with
>>> --enable-languages. Among the people at the summit, there was general
>>> support for this, and nobody was opposed to it.
>
>> I count 33 messages on the topic and it is clear that there is no
>> consensus. I am withdrawing this proposed patch.
>
> I think that's a mistake.
>
> The arguments raised, such as the fact that Java tests non-call
> exceptions, are just not persuasive to me. If we need tests for a
> middle-end feature, we can almost always write them in C or C++.
>
> The bottom line is that libjava takes a very long time to build and that
> the marginal benefit is out of proportion to the cost. Building
> zillions of Java class files cannot be the best way to test non-call
> exceptions. If we have no tests for non-call exceptions in the C/C++
> testsuite, perhaps you (Ian) could write a few in C++?
>
> Ian, I was prepared to approve the patch. I certainly won't do that if
> you now think it's a bad idea, but if you still think it's a good idea,
> I think you should go for it.
>
> I think that it should still be the case that if you break Java, and one
> of the Java testers catches you, you still have an obligation to fix the
> problem. All we're changing is whether you build Java by default;
> nothing else.
I made it pretty clear that as long as the autotesters build java, and I
get emails when something breaks, and you have the obligation to fix
whatever broke, I have no objection.
Andrew.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-11-18 10:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-10-31 19:09 Ian Lance Taylor
2010-11-01 8:59 ` Andrew Haley
2010-11-02 10:14 ` Laurent GUERBY
2010-11-02 15:32 ` Tom Tromey
2010-11-01 10:31 ` Dave Korn
2010-11-01 17:36 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-11-01 18:16 ` Diego Novillo
2010-11-01 18:58 ` Andrew Haley
2010-11-01 19:35 ` H.J. Lu
2010-11-02 3:39 ` Jeff Law
2010-11-02 3:58 ` H.J. Lu
2010-11-02 8:22 ` Eric Botcazou
2010-11-02 15:31 ` Tom Tromey
2010-11-02 16:25 ` Jeff Law
2010-11-02 5:12 ` Matthias Klose
2010-11-11 23:20 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-11-18 9:23 ` Mark Mitchell
2010-11-18 10:47 ` Andrew Haley [this message]
2010-11-18 13:42 ` H.J. Lu
2010-11-18 15:37 ` Mark Mitchell
2010-11-18 16:02 ` Diego Novillo
2010-11-18 15:23 ` Jeff Law
2010-11-18 17:19 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-11-18 17:58 ` Dave Korn
2010-11-18 20:53 ` Mark Wielaard
2010-10-31 19:33 Steven Bosscher
2010-10-31 19:47 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2010-11-01 3:48 ` Andrew Pinski
2010-11-01 10:11 ` Dave Korn
2010-11-01 4:06 ` Geert Bosch
2010-11-01 4:30 ` Joern Rennecke
2010-11-01 10:35 ` Geert Bosch
2010-11-01 10:46 ` Joern Rennecke
2010-11-02 10:48 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-11-02 16:43 ` David Daney
2010-11-01 17:46 ` Tom Tromey
2010-11-01 17:50 ` Andrew Haley
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