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From: Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>
To: Adhemerval Zanella Netto <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>
Cc: Xi Ruoyao <xry111@xry111.site>,
	Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming <teo.en.ming@protonmail.com>,
	"libc-alpha@sourceware.org" <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	"ceo@teo-en-ming-corp.com" <ceo@teo-en-ming-corp.com>
Subject: Re: New GNU C Library (glibc) security flaw reported on 30 Jan 2024
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 17:23:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240131162302.GC2102@cventin.lip.ens-lyon.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c622583d-a7f5-45ad-8195-0d8238469823@linaro.org>

On 2024-01-31 12:52:35 -0300, Adhemerval Zanella Netto wrote:
> On 31/01/24 11:55, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
[...]
> > This is what the ISO C standard says. But the glibc manual explicitly
> > allows non-transitive comparators.
> > 
> > See the example in 9.1 Defining the Comparison Function:
> > 
> >    Here is an example of a comparison function which works with an array
> > of numbers of type ‘double’:
> > 
> >      int
> >      compare_doubles (const void *a, const void *b)
> >      {
> >        const double *da = (const double *) a;
> >        const double *db = (const double *) b;
> > 
> >        return (*da > *db) - (*da < *db);
> >      }
> > 
> > The non-transitivity can be demonstrated with the following test
> > program:
> > 
> > #include <stdio.h>
> > #include <math.h>
> > 
> > int
> > compare_doubles (const void *a, const void *b)
> > {
> >   const double *da = (const double *) a;
> >   const double *db = (const double *) b;
> > 
> >   return (*da > *db) - (*da < *db);
> > }
> > 
> > int main (void)
> > {
> >   double t[3] = { 1.0, NAN, 2.0 };
> >   printf ("%d\n", compare_doubles(t+0, t+1));
> >   printf ("%d\n", compare_doubles(t+1, t+2));
> >   printf ("%d\n", compare_doubles(t+0, t+2));
> >   return 0;
> > }
> > 
> > which gives
> > 
> > 0
> > 0
> > -1
> > 
> > while the initial 0 0 implies a third 0 with a transitive comparator.
> 
> I see this is an manual issue rather than a GNU 'extension' to qsort semantic.
> And I think we should fix BZ#31322 by using a transitive comparison instead of
> trying to support such cases.

If this was intentional, users may already use such a nontransitive
comparison function. If this was not intentional, this shows that
the problem is not obvious and that users less experienced than the
glibc developers may fall in such a trap. So, in addition to make
the glibc manual clear on the subject, I think that the library
should handle such cases gracefully rather than considering that
such cases will never occur. For instance, this could be just an
indeterminate ordering. Or if the goal is to warn the user about
the issue (in case it is detected), an assertion failure instead
of indeterminate ordering.

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-31 16:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-31 14:08 Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
2024-01-31 14:23 ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-01-31 14:55   ` Vincent Lefevre
2024-01-31 15:52     ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2024-01-31 16:23       ` Vincent Lefevre [this message]
2024-01-31 16:44         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2024-01-31 18:47       ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-02-01  0:51         ` Vincent Lefevre
2024-02-01  1:03           ` Vincent Lefevre
2024-02-01  6:41           ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-02-01  9:07             ` Vincent Lefevre
2024-02-01 19:55               ` Paul Eggert
2024-02-01 21:11                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2024-02-05  0:58                   ` Paul Eggert
2024-02-06 15:00                     ` Zack Weinberg
2024-02-06 21:30                       ` Paul Eggert
2024-02-06 22:04                         ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-02-07 17:07                         ` Zack Weinberg
2024-02-07 19:55                           ` Alexander Monakov
2024-02-07 20:45                             ` Zack Weinberg
2024-02-07 21:53                               ` Alexander Monakov
2024-02-07 22:56                               ` Paul Eggert
2024-04-06 17:17                           ` Paul Eggert
2024-04-08  8:28                             ` Florian Weimer
2024-04-22 14:39                               ` Zack Weinberg
2024-04-23 18:09                                 ` Paul Eggert
2024-04-23 18:26                                   ` Florian Weimer

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