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From: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
To: Jonny Grant <jg@jguk.org>, Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
Cc: Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	linux-man <linux-man@vger.kernel.org>,
	GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add example to rand.3
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 00:11:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3af45047-1d30-c4e8-cb73-a70eed6927fe@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <589afb02-2a34-7ad8-62cb-94bccc13033e@jguk.org>


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Hi Jonny,

On 12/27/22 22:37, Jonny Grant wrote:
> Hi Alex
> 
> On 26/12/2022 22:29, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
>> Hi Jonny,
>>
>> On 12/26/22 22:50, Jonny Grant wrote:
>>> Hi Alejandro
>>
>> Please send also to my email.
>>
>>> Please find below a patch.
>>>
>>> 2022-12-26  Jonathan Grant <jg@jguk.org>
>>>      * man3/rand.3: Add example to rand.3 seed with time(NULL)
>>>
>>>
>>>   From 2d4501354ea6c465173fe6c089dfbcc80393a644 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
>>> From: Jonathan Grant <jg@jguk.org>
>>> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2022 21:48:17 +0000
>>> Subject: [PATCH] add rand.3 example
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Jonathan Grant <jg@jguk.org>
>>
>> time(NULL) is not too good.  If you call it several times per second, you'll find that it only changes the seed every second.  There are better ways to produce a good seed.
>>
>> However, I prefer suggesting arc4random() rather than workarounding rand(3) to get good results.
>>
>> Florian, did you already merge arc4random() to glibc?
> 
> Hopefully arc4random will come soon. Maybe rand.3 could then be updated to SEE ALSO that. >
> I would only mention to call srand once to seed, but you're right there are lots of other ways to get a seed.
> Jonny

But consider the following case:

You're testing some program with random data in a loop.  And the program 
executes in less than a second.  Then srand(3) will be called several times per 
second with the same seed, and you'll get useless results.  I faced that exact 
situation a few years ago :)

Cheers,

Alex


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  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-27 23:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <105835f5-359c-2646-f609-e73459ee2d3b@jguk.org>
2022-12-26 22:29 ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-27 13:07   ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-12-27 23:33     ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-28  0:00       ` G. Branden Robinson
2022-12-28  0:41         ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-28 12:21           ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-12-30 18:15             ` Joseph Myers
2022-12-30 18:20               ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-30 18:50                 ` Joseph Myers
2022-12-30 18:58                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-30 19:11               ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-12-30 21:08                 ` Joseph Myers
2022-12-30 21:15                   ` Internal organization of "the implementation" (was: [PATCH] Add example to rand.3) Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-30 21:50                     ` Joseph Myers
2022-12-27 21:37   ` [PATCH] Add example to rand.3 Jonny Grant
2022-12-27 23:11     ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2022-12-28 20:51       ` Jonny Grant
2022-12-28 20:56         ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-28 21:03           ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-28 21:04             ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-28 21:25               ` Jonny Grant
2022-12-28 21:32                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-28 21:04           ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-12-28 21:11             ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-28 21:19               ` Jonny Grant
2022-12-28 21:18             ` Alejandro Colomar

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