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From: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
To: Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>, libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Cc: Stephan Bergmann <sbergman@redhat.com>,
	Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
	Simon Chopin <simon.chopin@canonical.com>,
	Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org>
Subject: Re: UB status of snprintf on invalid ptr+size combination?
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:30:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9c8cae93-cb8c-8689-1f0e-2b87514d3702@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230318020725.GA15308@zira.vinc17.org>


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Hello Vincent,

On 3/18/23 03:07, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2023-03-16 11:29:31 +0100, Stephan Bergmann wrote:
>> On 15/03/2023 13:39, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
>>> No, it is not obvious. If the C standard does not say that this is
>>> the size of the array, then it does not have to be the size of the
>>> array. The C standard just says:
>>>
>>>    Otherwise, output characters beyond the n-1st are discarded rather
>>>    than being written to the array, and a null character is written at
>>>    the end of the characters actually written into the array.
>>
>> But in 7.1.4 "Use of library functions" the standard also says
>>
>>> If a function argument is described as being an array, the pointer
>>> passed to the function shall have a value such that all address
>>> computations and accesses to objects (that would be valid if the
>>> pointer did point to the first element of such an array) are
>>> valid.
>>
>> which could be construed as meaning that the n-1st array element must always
>> be accessible, even if a given invocation is known to always generate less
>> then n output characters.
> 
> But the standard does not say that n is the size of the array.
> The size of the array could be the maximum of n and the size
> corresponding to the untruncated output string.

I guess you mean the minimum?  If it were the maximum, then it would
never truncate.

[assuming you meant minimum]:

As Andreas mentioned, that's valid for ISO C, but POSIX is more
restrictive.  Here's a quote from fprintf(3posix):

       The snprintf() function shall be equivalent to sprintf(),  with
       the  addition  of  the  n argument which states the size of the
       buffer referred to by s.

It clearly specifies that 'n' is the size of the buffer, so
implementations are free to assume that `s+n` is a valid pointer.

> 
> Similarly, for strncpy, I would not see n as the size of the arrays,
> i.e. it is not allowed for the implementation to read characters
> past a null character (possibly unless this does not have unwanted
> effects), even though such characters would be among the first n
> characters.

The size argument to strncpy(3) is the size of the destination buffer,
not the size of the input buffer.  The input buffer must be either
a string, or a character sequence at least as large as the destination
buffer.  Thus, in strncpy(3), reads are limited by
`strnlen(src, size)`, but writes are limited by `size`.

Cheers,
Alex

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-18  2:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-14 19:47 Simon Chopin
2023-03-14 21:39 ` Paul Eggert
2023-03-15  9:22   ` Andreas Schwab
2023-03-15 15:54     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-03-15 18:34     ` Michael Hudson-Doyle
2023-03-19 14:45     ` manfred
2023-03-19 23:07       ` Vincent Lefevre
2023-03-20 12:05         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-03-20 12:17           ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-03-20 12:29             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-03-20 13:36             ` Vincent Lefevre
2023-03-20 13:50           ` Vincent Lefevre
2023-03-20 16:56             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-03-20 17:36               ` Vincent Lefevre
2023-03-20 15:09       ` Vincent Lefevre
2023-03-20 16:15         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-03-20 16:33           ` Vincent Lefevre
2023-03-20 17:00           ` Vincent Lefevre
2023-03-20 17:31             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-03-20 17:45               ` Vincent Lefevre
2023-03-15 12:39   ` Vincent Lefevre
2023-03-16 10:29     ` Stephan Bergmann
2023-03-18  2:07       ` Vincent Lefevre
2023-03-18  2:30         ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2023-03-18 10:58           ` Vincent Lefevre
2023-03-18 15:01             ` Andreas Schwab
2023-03-19 22:48               ` Vincent Lefevre
2023-03-19 23:24                 ` Andreas Schwab
2023-03-20  4:10                   ` Vincent Lefevre
2023-03-20  9:19                     ` Andreas Schwab
2023-03-20 10:42                       ` Vincent Lefevre
2023-03-20 10:44                         ` Andreas Schwab

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