public inbox for libc-alpha@sourceware.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Noah Goldstein <goldstein.w.n@gmail.com>
To: "H.J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>
Cc: libc-alpha@sourceware.org, carlos@systemhalted.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] x86: Increase `non_temporal_threshold` to roughly `sizeof_L3 / 2`
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2023 16:45:52 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFUsyfJBw9yWYex2PpubaxCUimtCLYgHrwwCWaEzFfbdAXvifw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMe9rOore+0kbiBgONdX4SZaj+o4EunWg2V1mhm+_bu5zjcidw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 12:43 PM H.J. Lu <hjl.tools@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 8:43 PM Noah Goldstein <goldstein.w.n@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Current `non_temporal_threshold` set to roughly '3/4 * sizeof_L3 /
> > ncores_per_socket'. This patch updates that value to roughly
> > 'sizeof_L3 / 2`
> >
> > The original value (specifically dividing the `ncores_per_socket`) was
> > done to limit the amount of other threads' data a `memcpy`/`memset`
> > could evict.
> >
> > Dividing by 'ncores_per_socket', however leads to exceedingly low
> > non-temporal threshholds and leads to using non-temporal stores in
> > cases where `rep movsb` is multiple times faster.
> >
> > Furthermore, non-temporal stores are written directly to disk so using
> > it at a size much smaller than L3 can place soon to be accessed data
> > much further away than it otherwise could be. As well, modern machines
> > are able to detect streaming patterns (especially if `rep movsb` is
> > used) and provide LRU hints to the memory subsystem. This in affect
> > caps the total amount of eviction at 1/cache_assosiativity, far below
> > meaningfully thrashing the entire cache.
> >
> > As best I can tell, the benchmarks that lead this small threshold
> > where done comparing non-temporal stores versus standard cacheable
> > stores. A better comparison (linked below) is to be `rep movsb` which,
> > on the measure systems, is nearly 2x faster than non-temporal stores
> > at the low-end of the previous threshold, and within 10% for over
> > 100MB copies (well past even the current threshold). In cases with a
> > low number of threads competing for bandwidth, `rep movsb` is ~2x
> > faster up to `sizeof_L3`.
> >
> > Benchmarks comparing non-temporal stores, rep movsb, and cacheable
> > stores where done using:
> > https://github.com/goldsteinn/memcpy-nt-benchmarks
> >
> > Sheets results (also available in pdf on the github):
> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS183r0rW_jRX6tG_E90m9qVuFiMbRIJvi5VAE8yYOvEOIEEc3aSNuEsrFbuXw5c3nGboxMmrupZD7K/pubhtml
> > ---
> >  sysdeps/x86/dl-cacheinfo.h | 70 +++++++++++++++++++++++---------------
> >  1 file changed, 43 insertions(+), 27 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/sysdeps/x86/dl-cacheinfo.h b/sysdeps/x86/dl-cacheinfo.h
> > index ec88945b39..df75fbd868 100644
> > --- a/sysdeps/x86/dl-cacheinfo.h
> > +++ b/sysdeps/x86/dl-cacheinfo.h
> > @@ -407,7 +407,7 @@ handle_zhaoxin (int name)
> >  }
> >
> >  static void
> > -get_common_cache_info (long int *shared_ptr, unsigned int *threads_ptr,
> > +get_common_cache_info (long int *shared_ptr, long int * shared_per_thread_ptr, unsigned int *threads_ptr,
> >                  long int core)
> >  {
> >    unsigned int eax;
> > @@ -426,6 +426,7 @@ get_common_cache_info (long int *shared_ptr, unsigned int *threads_ptr,
> >    unsigned int family = cpu_features->basic.family;
> >    unsigned int model = cpu_features->basic.model;
> >    long int shared = *shared_ptr;
> > +  long int shared_per_thread = *shared_per_thread_ptr;
> >    unsigned int threads = *threads_ptr;
> >    bool inclusive_cache = true;
> >    bool support_count_mask = true;
> > @@ -441,6 +442,7 @@ get_common_cache_info (long int *shared_ptr, unsigned int *threads_ptr,
> >        /* Try L2 otherwise.  */
> >        level  = 2;
> >        shared = core;
> > +      shared_per_thread = core;
> >        threads_l2 = 0;
> >        threads_l3 = -1;
> >      }
> > @@ -597,29 +599,28 @@ get_common_cache_info (long int *shared_ptr, unsigned int *threads_ptr,
> >          }
> >        else
> >          {
> > -intel_bug_no_cache_info:
> > -          /* Assume that all logical threads share the highest cache
> > -             level.  */
> > -          threads
> > -            = ((cpu_features->features[CPUID_INDEX_1].cpuid.ebx >> 16)
> > -              & 0xff);
> > -        }
> > -
> > -        /* Cap usage of highest cache level to the number of supported
> > -           threads.  */
> > -        if (shared > 0 && threads > 0)
> > -          shared /= threads;
> > +       intel_bug_no_cache_info:
> > +         /* Assume that all logical threads share the highest cache
> > +            level.  */
> > +         threads = ((cpu_features->features[CPUID_INDEX_1].cpuid.ebx >> 16)
> > +                    & 0xff);
> > +
> > +         /* Get per-thread size of highest level cache.  */
> > +         if (shared_per_thread > 0 && threads > 0)
> > +           shared_per_thread /= threads;
> > +       }
> >      }
> >
> >    /* Account for non-inclusive L2 and L3 caches.  */
> >    if (!inclusive_cache)
> >      {
> >        if (threads_l2 > 0)
> > -        core /= threads_l2;
> > +       shared_per_thread += core / threads_l2;
> >        shared += core;
> >      }
> >
> >    *shared_ptr = shared;
> > +  *shared_per_thread_ptr = shared_per_thread;
> >    *threads_ptr = threads;
> >  }
> >
> > @@ -629,6 +630,7 @@ dl_init_cacheinfo (struct cpu_features *cpu_features)
> >    /* Find out what brand of processor.  */
> >    long int data = -1;
> >    long int shared = -1;
> > +  long int shared_per_thread = -1;
> >    long int core = -1;
> >    unsigned int threads = 0;
> >    unsigned long int level1_icache_size = -1;
> > @@ -649,6 +651,7 @@ dl_init_cacheinfo (struct cpu_features *cpu_features)
> >        data = handle_intel (_SC_LEVEL1_DCACHE_SIZE, cpu_features);
> >        core = handle_intel (_SC_LEVEL2_CACHE_SIZE, cpu_features);
> >        shared = handle_intel (_SC_LEVEL3_CACHE_SIZE, cpu_features);
> > +      shared_per_thread = shared;
> >
> >        level1_icache_size
> >         = handle_intel (_SC_LEVEL1_ICACHE_SIZE, cpu_features);
> > @@ -672,13 +675,14 @@ dl_init_cacheinfo (struct cpu_features *cpu_features)
> >        level4_cache_size
> >         = handle_intel (_SC_LEVEL4_CACHE_SIZE, cpu_features);
> >
> > -      get_common_cache_info (&shared, &threads, core);
> > +      get_common_cache_info (&shared, &shared_per_thread, &threads, core);
> >      }
> >    else if (cpu_features->basic.kind == arch_kind_zhaoxin)
> >      {
> >        data = handle_zhaoxin (_SC_LEVEL1_DCACHE_SIZE);
> >        core = handle_zhaoxin (_SC_LEVEL2_CACHE_SIZE);
> >        shared = handle_zhaoxin (_SC_LEVEL3_CACHE_SIZE);
> > +      shared_per_thread = shared;
> >
> >        level1_icache_size = handle_zhaoxin (_SC_LEVEL1_ICACHE_SIZE);
> >        level1_icache_linesize = handle_zhaoxin (_SC_LEVEL1_ICACHE_LINESIZE);
> > @@ -692,13 +696,14 @@ dl_init_cacheinfo (struct cpu_features *cpu_features)
> >        level3_cache_assoc = handle_zhaoxin (_SC_LEVEL3_CACHE_ASSOC);
> >        level3_cache_linesize = handle_zhaoxin (_SC_LEVEL3_CACHE_LINESIZE);
> >
> > -      get_common_cache_info (&shared, &threads, core);
> > +      get_common_cache_info (&shared, &shared_per_thread, &threads, core);
> >      }
> >    else if (cpu_features->basic.kind == arch_kind_amd)
> >      {
> >        data = handle_amd (_SC_LEVEL1_DCACHE_SIZE);
> >        core = handle_amd (_SC_LEVEL2_CACHE_SIZE);
> >        shared = handle_amd (_SC_LEVEL3_CACHE_SIZE);
> > +      shared_per_thread = shared;
> >
> >        level1_icache_size = handle_amd (_SC_LEVEL1_ICACHE_SIZE);
> >        level1_icache_linesize = handle_amd (_SC_LEVEL1_ICACHE_LINESIZE);
> > @@ -715,6 +720,9 @@ dl_init_cacheinfo (struct cpu_features *cpu_features)
> >        if (shared <= 0)
> >          /* No shared L3 cache.  All we have is the L2 cache.  */
> >         shared = core;
> > +
> > +      if (shared_per_thread <= 0)
> > +       shared_per_thread = shared;
> >      }
> >
> >    cpu_features->level1_icache_size = level1_icache_size;
> > @@ -730,17 +738,25 @@ dl_init_cacheinfo (struct cpu_features *cpu_features)
> >    cpu_features->level3_cache_linesize = level3_cache_linesize;
> >    cpu_features->level4_cache_size = level4_cache_size;
> >
> > -  /* The default setting for the non_temporal threshold is 3/4 of one
> > -     thread's share of the chip's cache. For most Intel and AMD processors
> > -     with an initial release date between 2017 and 2020, a thread's typical
> > -     share of the cache is from 500 KBytes to 2 MBytes. Using the 3/4
> > -     threshold leaves 125 KBytes to 500 KBytes of the thread's data
> > -     in cache after a maximum temporal copy, which will maintain
> > -     in cache a reasonable portion of the thread's stack and other
> > -     active data. If the threshold is set higher than one thread's
> > -     share of the cache, it has a substantial risk of negatively
> > -     impacting the performance of other threads running on the chip. */
> > -  unsigned long int non_temporal_threshold = shared * 3 / 4;
> > +  /* The default setting for the non_temporal threshold is 1/2 of size
> > +     of chip's cache. For most Intel and AMD processors with an
> > +     initial release date between 2017 and 2023, a thread's typical
> > +     share of the cache is from 18-64MB. Using the 1/2 L3 is meant to
> > +     estimate the point where non-temporal stores begin outcompeting
> > +     other methods. As well the point where the fact that non-temporal
>           I think we should just say REP MOVSB.
done.
> > +     stores are forced back to disk would already occured to the
>                                                    ^^^^^ main memory.
done
> > +     majority of the lines in the copy. Note, concerns about the
> > +     entire L3 cache being evicted by the copy are mostly alleviated
> > +     by the fact that modern HW detects streaming patterns and
> > +     provides proper LRU hints so that the the maximum thrashing
>                                                                  ^^^ Dup.
done
> > +     capped at 1/assosiativity. */
> associativity
Done
> > +  unsigned long int non_temporal_threshold = shared / 2;
> > +  /* If no ERMS, we use the per-thread L3 chunking. Normal cacheable stores run
> > +     a higher risk of actually thrashing the cache as they don't have a HW LRU
> > +     hint. As well, there performance in highly parallel situations is
>                                the
I think there?
> > +     noticeably worse.  */
> > +  if (!CPU_FEATURE_USABLE_P (cpu_features, ERMS))
> > +    non_temporal_threshold = shared_per_thread * 3 / 4;
> >    /* SIZE_MAX >> 4 because memmove-vec-unaligned-erms right-shifts the value of
> >       'x86_non_temporal_threshold' by `LOG_4X_MEMCPY_THRESH` (4) and it is best
> >       if that operation cannot overflow. Minimum of 0x4040 (16448) because the
> > --
> > 2.34.1
> >
>
>
> --
> H.J.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-25 21:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-24  5:03 [PATCH v1] " Noah Goldstein
2023-04-24 18:09 ` H.J. Lu
2023-04-24 18:34   ` Noah Goldstein
2023-04-24 20:44     ` H.J. Lu
2023-04-24 22:30       ` Noah Goldstein
2023-04-24 22:30 ` [PATCH v2] " Noah Goldstein
2023-04-24 22:48   ` H.J. Lu
2023-04-25  2:05     ` Noah Goldstein
2023-04-25  2:55       ` H.J. Lu
2023-04-25  3:43         ` Noah Goldstein
2023-04-25  3:43 ` [PATCH v3] " Noah Goldstein
2023-04-25 17:42   ` H.J. Lu
2023-04-25 21:45     ` Noah Goldstein [this message]
2023-04-25 21:45 ` [PATCH v4] " Noah Goldstein
2023-04-26 15:59   ` H.J. Lu
2023-04-26 17:15     ` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-04  3:28       ` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-05 18:06         ` H.J. Lu
2023-05-09  3:14           ` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-09  3:13 ` [PATCH v5 1/3] x86: Increase `non_temporal_threshold` to roughly `sizeof_L3 / 4` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-09  3:13   ` [PATCH v5 2/3] x86: Refactor Intel `init_cpu_features` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-09 21:58     ` H.J. Lu
2023-05-10  0:33       ` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-09  3:13   ` [PATCH v5 3/3] x86: Make the divisor in setting `non_temporal_threshold` cpu specific Noah Goldstein
2023-05-10  0:33 ` [PATCH v6 1/4] x86: Increase `non_temporal_threshold` to roughly `sizeof_L3 / 4` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-10  0:33   ` [PATCH v6 2/4] x86: Refactor Intel `init_cpu_features` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-10 22:13     ` H.J. Lu
2023-05-10 23:17       ` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-11 21:36         ` H.J. Lu
2023-05-12  5:11           ` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-10  0:33   ` [PATCH v6 3/4] x86: Make the divisor in setting `non_temporal_threshold` cpu specific Noah Goldstein
2023-05-10  0:33   ` [PATCH v6 4/4] x86: Tune 'Saltwell' microarch the same was a 'Bonnell' Noah Goldstein
2023-05-10 22:04     ` H.J. Lu
2023-05-10 22:12       ` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-10 15:55   ` [PATCH v6 1/4] x86: Increase `non_temporal_threshold` to roughly `sizeof_L3 / 4` H.J. Lu
2023-05-10 16:07     ` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-10 22:12 ` [PATCH v7 2/4] x86: Refactor Intel `init_cpu_features` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-10 22:12   ` [PATCH v7 3/4] x86: Make the divisor in setting `non_temporal_threshold` cpu specific Noah Goldstein
2023-05-10 22:12   ` [PATCH v7 4/4] x86: Tune 'Saltwell' microarch the same was a 'Bonnell' Noah Goldstein
2023-05-12  5:12     ` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-12  5:10 ` [PATCH v8 1/3] x86: Increase `non_temporal_threshold` to roughly `sizeof_L3 / 4` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-12  5:10   ` [PATCH v8 2/3] x86: Refactor Intel `init_cpu_features` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-12 22:17     ` H.J. Lu
2023-05-13  5:18       ` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-12 22:03 ` [PATCH v8 3/3] x86: Make the divisor in setting `non_temporal_threshold` cpu specific Noah Goldstein
2023-05-13  5:19 ` [PATCH v9 1/3] x86: Increase `non_temporal_threshold` to roughly `sizeof_L3 / 4` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-13  5:19   ` [PATCH v9 2/3] x86: Refactor Intel `init_cpu_features` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-15 20:57     ` H.J. Lu
2023-05-26  3:34     ` DJ Delorie
2023-05-27 18:46       ` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-13  5:19   ` [PATCH v9 3/3] x86: Make the divisor in setting `non_temporal_threshold` cpu specific Noah Goldstein
2023-05-26  3:34     ` DJ Delorie
2023-05-27 18:46       ` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-15 18:29   ` [PATCH v9 1/3] x86: Increase `non_temporal_threshold` to roughly `sizeof_L3 / 4` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-17 12:00     ` Carlos O'Donell
2023-05-26  3:34   ` DJ Delorie
2023-05-27 18:46 ` [PATCH v10 " Noah Goldstein
2023-05-27 18:46   ` [PATCH v10 2/3] x86: Refactor Intel `init_cpu_features` Noah Goldstein
2023-05-27 18:46   ` [PATCH v10 3/3] x86: Make the divisor in setting `non_temporal_threshold` cpu specific Noah Goldstein
2023-05-31  2:33     ` DJ Delorie
2023-07-10  5:23     ` Sajan Karumanchi
2023-07-10 15:58       ` Noah Goldstein
2023-07-14  2:21         ` Re: Noah Goldstein
2023-07-14  7:39         ` Re: sajan karumanchi
2023-06-07  0:15   ` [PATCH v10 1/3] x86: Increase `non_temporal_threshold` to roughly `sizeof_L3 / 4` Carlos O'Donell
2023-06-07 18:18     ` Noah Goldstein
2023-06-07 18:18 ` [PATCH v11 " Noah Goldstein
2023-06-07 18:18   ` [PATCH v11 2/3] x86: Refactor Intel `init_cpu_features` Noah Goldstein
2023-06-07 18:18   ` [PATCH v11 3/3] x86: Make the divisor in setting `non_temporal_threshold` cpu specific Noah Goldstein
2023-06-07 18:19   ` [PATCH v11 1/3] x86: Increase `non_temporal_threshold` to roughly `sizeof_L3 / 4` Noah Goldstein
2023-08-14 23:00   ` Noah Goldstein
2023-08-22 15:11     ` Noah Goldstein
2023-08-24 17:06       ` Noah Goldstein
2023-08-28 20:02         ` Noah Goldstein
2023-09-05 15:37           ` Noah Goldstein
2023-09-12  3:50             ` Noah Goldstein

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=CAFUsyfJBw9yWYex2PpubaxCUimtCLYgHrwwCWaEzFfbdAXvifw@mail.gmail.com \
    --to=goldstein.w.n@gmail.com \
    --cc=carlos@systemhalted.org \
    --cc=hjl.tools@gmail.com \
    --cc=libc-alpha@sourceware.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).