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From: Keld Simonsen <keld@keldix.com>
To: fweimer at redhat dot com <sourceware-bugzilla@sourceware.org>
Cc: libc-locales@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [Bug localedata/14641] Deprecate name_fmt
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:01:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140623130123.GA25868@rap.rap.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bug-14641-716-TSlI85nMYG@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/>

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 07:44:34AM +0000, fweimer at redhat dot com wrote:
> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14641
> 
> --- Comment #24 from Florian Weimer <fweimer at redhat dot com> ---
> (In reply to keld@keldix.com from comment #21)
> > I think all of these examples can be covered with the existing LC_NAME spec.
> > And they were all known at the time of specification.
> 
> I think the discrimination of married vs unmarried women in name formatting is
> now considered obsolete and perhaps even slightly offensive.

Then you can make them the same (Ms).

> In any case, proper name formatting is not something related very strongly to
> culture anymore, but to individual persons and the relationships among them. 
> Locales are more or less country-based, so they are a poor way to select name
> formatting rules.

The locales are culturally oriented. I cannot speak for every culture, but 
proper name formatting still seems relevant in many cultures.
What we have is not perfect, but it can be used to provide more culturally 
acceptable results. But I think there is room for improvement, 
I invite such suggestions for improvement. Do you have any suggestions?

> Even telephone number formatting isn't as straightforward as it may seem.  In
> Germany, there are three major ways of formatting phone numbers, and it seems
> that de_DE.UTF-8 uses neither of them (it's difficult to tell because the
> formatting codes are undocumented).

The idea was at least to get rid of the USA way, which is not culturally acceptable
in many countries. Then a number of ways would be kind of OK - in my country
there are also some common examples, and then there is an official recommendation.

Best regards
keld

  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-23 13:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-28 11:50 [Bug localedata/14641] New: Add a strftime()-like function for formatting human names bugzilla at tecnocode dot co.uk
2012-09-28 12:05 ` Keld Simonsen
2012-09-28 12:41 ` [Bug localedata/14641] " bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2012-09-28 12:41 ` keld at keldix dot com
2013-11-06 13:01 ` simon.mcvittie at collabora dot co.uk
2013-11-06 15:13 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2013-11-06 16:12 ` simon.mcvittie at collabora dot co.uk
2013-11-06 16:33 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2013-11-06 23:57   ` Keld Simonsen
2013-11-06 23:58 ` neleai at seznam dot cz
2013-11-06 23:58 ` keld at keldix dot com
2013-11-07  3:16 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2013-11-07 12:29   ` Keld Simonsen
2013-11-07 12:30 ` keld at keldix dot com
2013-11-07 15:27 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2013-11-07 19:02   ` Keld Simonsen
2013-11-07 19:03 ` keld at keldix dot com
2014-06-17  4:30 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2014-06-17  7:33 ` [Bug localedata/14641] Deprecate name_fmt bugzilla at tecnocode dot co.uk
2014-06-17  7:49 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2014-06-17 16:54   ` Keld Simonsen
2014-06-17 17:03 ` keld at keldix dot com
2014-06-17 17:09 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2014-06-20  5:48   ` Keld Simonsen
2014-06-19 22:48 ` bugzilla at tecnocode dot co.uk
2014-06-20  5:50 ` keld at keldix dot com
2014-06-20  7:28 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2014-06-20 11:03   ` Keld Simonsen
2014-06-20 11:05 ` keld at keldix dot com
2014-06-20 13:22 ` bugzilla at tecnocode dot co.uk
2014-06-21 18:35   ` Keld Simonsen
2014-06-21 18:37 ` keld at keldix dot com
2014-06-23  8:21 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2014-06-23 13:01   ` Keld Simonsen [this message]
2014-06-23 13:04 ` keld at keldix dot com
2014-06-23 21:07   ` Keld Simonsen
2014-06-23 21:08 ` myllynen at redhat dot com
2014-06-23 21:08 ` keld at keldix dot com
2014-06-23 21:57 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2014-06-23 22:12   ` Keld Simonsen
2014-06-23 22:13 ` keld at keldix dot com
2014-06-24  7:40 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2016-02-19 10:46 ` [Bug localedata/14641] LC_NAME: deprecate locale category vapier at gentoo dot org
2016-02-19 15:42 ` myllynen at redhat dot com
2016-02-19 16:15 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2016-02-19 18:29   ` Keld Simonsen
2016-02-19 18:33 ` keld at keldix dot com
2016-02-19 23:22 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2016-02-19 23:26   ` Keld Simonsen
2016-02-19 23:27 ` keld at keldix dot com
2016-02-20  6:07 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2016-02-22  8:10   ` Keld Simonsen
2016-02-22  8:12 ` keld at keldix dot com
2016-02-22 10:13 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2019-01-02 11:59   ` Keld Simonsen
2018-12-20  8:38 ` pander at users dot sourceforge.net
2018-12-20  9:52 ` pander at users dot sourceforge.net
2019-01-01 11:42 ` pander at users dot sourceforge.net
2019-01-02 11:59 ` keld at keldix dot com

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