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From: "bugdal at aerifal dot cx" <sourceware-bugzilla@sourceware.org>
To: libc-locales@sourceware.org
Subject: [Bug localedata/14641] Deprecate name_fmt
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 17:09:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bug-14641-716-Ygj9nZCVmV@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bug-14641-716@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/>

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14641

--- Comment #17 from Rich Felker <bugdal at aerifal dot cx> ---
There are two different arguments for deprecation of name_fmt that can be made
based on comments in this pr:

1. Imposing a structure of first name, middle name, last name, etc. on names is
itself a cultural convention that's far from universal. Providing a
culture-specific way to format these poorly-thought-out name components into a
combined string does not solve the problem of making a program compatible with
diverse cultural conventions since such storage is already wrongly imposing
particular conventions.

2. Locales should deal with the cultural conventions of the user's cultural
environment, not the conventions associated with a particular piece of data.

Of these, #1 only applies directly to name_fmt. If similar arguments apply to
other items, that may be a good argument for their deprecation, but that would
be a separate discussion. Argument #2 on the other hand applies to a much
broader class of items, but I think it's also less clear-cut that it's correct.
With the existence of uselocale/locale_t and de-facto conventions for locale
names, one could argue that it's reasonable to use the locale system for
dealing with data records where each record has associated with it a cultural
context in which it's to be interpreted. I think this is probably a bad design
(for example, many systems omit installation of all locales except the user's,
which would affect what data they can process, and having a full locale
installation is a lot more costly than just having external data on
country-code-specific telephone number formatting, etc.) but I can see where
some people would prefer it.

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Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-28 11:50 [Bug localedata/14641] New: Add a strftime()-like function for formatting human names bugzilla at tecnocode dot co.uk
2012-09-28 12:05 ` Keld Simonsen
2012-09-28 12:41 ` [Bug localedata/14641] " bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2012-09-28 12:41 ` keld at keldix dot com
2013-11-06 13:01 ` simon.mcvittie at collabora dot co.uk
2013-11-06 15:13 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2013-11-06 16:12 ` simon.mcvittie at collabora dot co.uk
2013-11-06 16:33 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2013-11-06 23:57   ` Keld Simonsen
2013-11-06 23:58 ` keld at keldix dot com
2013-11-06 23:58 ` neleai at seznam dot cz
2013-11-07  3:16 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2013-11-07 12:29   ` Keld Simonsen
2013-11-07 12:30 ` keld at keldix dot com
2013-11-07 15:27 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2013-11-07 19:02   ` Keld Simonsen
2013-11-07 19:03 ` keld at keldix dot com
2014-06-17  4:30 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2014-06-17  7:33 ` [Bug localedata/14641] Deprecate name_fmt bugzilla at tecnocode dot co.uk
2014-06-17  7:49 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2014-06-17 16:54   ` Keld Simonsen
2014-06-17 17:03 ` keld at keldix dot com
2014-06-17 17:09 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx [this message]
2014-06-20  5:48   ` Keld Simonsen
2014-06-19 22:48 ` bugzilla at tecnocode dot co.uk
2014-06-20  5:50 ` keld at keldix dot com
2014-06-20  7:28 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2014-06-20 11:03   ` Keld Simonsen
2014-06-20 11:05 ` keld at keldix dot com
2014-06-20 13:22 ` bugzilla at tecnocode dot co.uk
2014-06-21 18:35   ` Keld Simonsen
2014-06-21 18:37 ` keld at keldix dot com
2014-06-23  8:21 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2014-06-23 13:01   ` Keld Simonsen
2014-06-23 13:04 ` keld at keldix dot com
2014-06-23 21:07   ` Keld Simonsen
2014-06-23 21:08 ` myllynen at redhat dot com
2014-06-23 21:08 ` keld at keldix dot com
2014-06-23 21:57 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2014-06-23 22:12   ` Keld Simonsen
2014-06-23 22:13 ` keld at keldix dot com
2014-06-24  7:40 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2016-02-19 10:46 ` [Bug localedata/14641] LC_NAME: deprecate locale category vapier at gentoo dot org
2016-02-19 15:42 ` myllynen at redhat dot com
2016-02-19 16:15 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2016-02-19 18:29   ` Keld Simonsen
2016-02-19 18:33 ` keld at keldix dot com
2016-02-19 23:22 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2016-02-19 23:26   ` Keld Simonsen
2016-02-19 23:27 ` keld at keldix dot com
2016-02-20  6:07 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2016-02-22  8:10   ` Keld Simonsen
2016-02-22  8:12 ` keld at keldix dot com
2016-02-22 10:13 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2019-01-02 11:59   ` Keld Simonsen
2018-12-20  8:38 ` pander at users dot sourceforge.net
2018-12-20  9:52 ` pander at users dot sourceforge.net
2019-01-01 11:42 ` pander at users dot sourceforge.net
2019-01-02 11:59 ` keld at keldix dot com

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