[Bug localedata/21271] New: Locale cv_RU for Chuvash is invalid

[Bug localedata/21271] New: Locale cv_RU for Chuvash is invalid

[mistresssilvara at hotmail dot com]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=21271

            Bug ID: 21271
           Summary: Locale cv_RU for Chuvash is invalid
           Product: glibc
           Version: unspecified
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P2
         Component: localedata
          Assignee: unassigned at sourceware dot org
          Reporter: mistresssilvara at hotmail dot com
                CC: libc-locales at sourceware dot org
  Target Milestone: ---

That file contains a transliteration made-up by some individual of Chuvash
months and weekdays.
Either they should be corrected to Chuvash spelling, or the file should be
dropped entirely as a hoax.

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[Bug localedata/21271] cv_RU: update translations

[vapier at gentoo dot org]

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Mike Frysinger <vapier at gentoo dot org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|UNCONFIRMED                 |WAITING
   Last reconfirmed|                            |2017-03-20
            Summary|Locale cv_RU for Chuvash is |cv_RU: update translations
                   |invalid                     |
     Ever confirmed|0                           |1

--- Comment #1 from Mike Frysinger <vapier at gentoo dot org> ---
please list the actual fields that you think are incorrect and the values you
think they should be, and cite documents/sites for references.

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[Bug localedata/21271] cv_RU: update translations

[mistresssilvara at hotmail dot com]

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--- Comment #2 from -EMail Hidden- <mistresssilvara at hotmail dot com> ---
The weekdays:
vyrsarnikun;tuntikun;ytlarikun;junkun;kĕşnernikun;ernekun;šămatkun
The correct ones are:
вырсарникун;тунтикун;ытларикун;юнкун;кӗҫнерникун;эрнекун;шӑматкун

Same with months...

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[Bug localedata/21271] cv_RU: update translations

[maiku.fabian at gmail dot com]

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Mike FABIAN <maiku.fabian at gmail dot com> changed:

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                 CC|                            |maiku.fabian at gmail dot com

--- Comment #3 from Mike FABIAN <maiku.fabian at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to -EMail Hidden- from comment #2)
> The weekdays:
> vyrsarnikun;tuntikun;ytlarikun;junkun;kĕşnernikun;ernekun;šămatkun
> The correct ones are:
> вырсарникун;тунтикун;ытларикун;юнкун;кӗҫнерникун;эрнекун;шӑматкун
> 
> Same with months...

So what are the months?

And do you have any references?

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[jsm28 at gcc dot gnu.org]

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--- Comment #3 from Joseph Myers <jsm28 at gcc dot gnu.org> ---
Note comment lost in system crash and restore from backup.

https://sourceware.org/ml/glibc-bugs/2017-08/msg00392.html

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[Bug localedata/21271] cv_RU: update translations

[digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com]

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Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
Do I understand correctly that Chuvash language uses exclusively the Cyrillic
script and never Latin script?  Is there a need to add cv_RU@cyrillic or rename
the current language to cv_RU@latin and add a completely new content of cv_RU?

As Chuvash language support in CLDR is highly incomplete, besides the list of
weekday names also please provide:

* the list of abbreviated weekday names,
* the list of full month names,
* the list of abbreviated month names (should they all be CAPITALIZED as they
are now?),
* since Chuvash is an inflected language, if the month names in a genitive or
in a possessive case are needed to format the date correctly then include them
as well,
* if it happens that a genitive/possessive case differs from a nominative case
case then include the full list of abbreviated month names in a
genitive/possessive case,
* review the current content of cv_RU and check if it needs more updates.  How
to say (and write) "yes" and "no" in Chuvash?  This information is missing as
well.

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[mistresssilvara at hotmail dot com]

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--- Comment #5 from -EMail Hidden- <mistresssilvara at hotmail dot com> ---
No, Chuvash is never written in Latin. As such, those data are made-up, so it
could not be moved to cv@latin. The locale should be removed entirely until it
can be remade with the real orthography.

You could try to contact the original locale author for corrections. Otherwise,
I could try gather those myself.

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[mistresssilvara at hotmail dot com]

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--- Comment #6 from -EMail Hidden- <mistresssilvara at hotmail dot com> ---
Created attachment 11696
  --> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=11696&action=edit
Example Chuvash locale

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[digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com]

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Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> changed:

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                 CC|                            |adi at roiban dot ro

--- Comment #7 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
It seems that Chuvash Latin script actually does exist [1] but probably is not
widely used. The current (Latin) Chuvash locale has been added as a resolution
for bug 10824 and was appreciated on Ubuntu Launchpad. [2] I'm adding the
original author to CC, I hope he's reading and is able to provide the
explanation.

For now I lean to rename the current locale to cv_RU@latin and accept this new
one as the proper default Cyrillic version.

[1]
https://en.chuvash.org/e/436f72726573706f6e64656e6365206f662043687576617368204c6174696e20416c70686162657420746f204368757661736820437972696c6c6963204f6e65
[2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/451204

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