From: Eric McDonald <mcdonald@phy.cmich.edu>
To: Jim Kingdon <kingdon@panix.com>
Cc: xconq7@sources.redhat.com
Subject: [Offtopic] EsperantoConq
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 02:57:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <415CA973.3070302@phy.cmich.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200409301655.i8UGt6F04972@panix5.panix.com>
Jim Kingdon wrote:
>>Esperanto appears to be a declined and conjugated language, like
>>Latin.
>
>
> Only a little bit. There are only 2 cases (subject and object),
> compared with 6 (I think) for Latin, 4 for German.
Yes. Latin has Nominative (subject), Genitive (possessive), Dative
(to/from), Accusative (object), Ablative (prepositional, excluding the
Dative), and Vocative (direct address).
As a side note, the accusative can be used with 'ad' or 'a', in which
case the meaning is "into" rather than "to".
Vocative would be like: "Dico te Pyrrhe..." -> "I say [to you],
Pyrrhus..." (This is the beginning of a famous Latin pun (because the
whole sentence can be parsed two different ways, both of which have
perfectly valid semantics) in which a Roman author (I forgot whom) poked
fun of the Greek general Pyhrrus' "Pyrrhic victory" over the Romans).
> And there are only 3 tenses (past, present, future), compared with
> many more for romance languages.
What, no pluperfect?! :-)
> There is no gramatical gender.
Then there are three separate 3rd person singular personal pronouns, I
assume....
> Not sure where that comes from, but I have a vague recollection of
> other languages which form plurals by adding "y" (or "j", but it is
> the sound that would be spelled "y" in English).
That depends: "j" can also go to a breathing sound or a full "h". And
with Latin, it is a consonantal "i".
> Here is the list of endings:
Agh, you ruined it for me! I had already guessed part of the list. But,
not to sound ungrateful, I'll say thanks.
> There's always http://www.lernu.net/ (but that's only for people who
> read manuals - the Real Hacker(TM) will want to skip right to the
> grammar book written in Esperanto - http://purl.oclc.org/NET/pmeg )
Thanks.
>>Now we will have to see if any Klingon speakers want
>>representation as well.
>
> Klingon speakers do not *want* representation; Kling speakers *demand*
> representation.
:-)
I hear that they're not just confined to mental institutions and Star
Trek conventions anymore....
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-10-01 0:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-09-28 21:34 New Proposed Xconq Web Site Online Feneric Brown
2004-09-28 22:14 ` Elijah Meeks
2004-09-28 23:47 ` D. Cooper Stevenson
2004-09-29 15:00 ` Jim Kingdon
2004-09-29 18:16 ` Eric McDonald
2004-09-30 16:59 ` Jim Kingdon
2004-10-01 2:57 ` Eric McDonald [this message]
2004-09-29 18:24 ` Eric McDonald
2004-09-30 17:07 ` Jim Kingdon
2004-10-01 5:42 [Offtopic] EsperantoConq Feneric Brown
2004-10-01 6:21 ` Jim Kingdon
2004-10-02 4:45 ` Eric McDonald
2004-10-01 18:27 Feneric Brown
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