Re: New Proposed Xconq Web Site Online

Re: New Proposed Xconq Web Site Online

[Feneric Brown]

> You may view the new websit here:
>
>   http://www.xconq.org

It looks generally good.  I think the search box might be better placed 
in the sidebar though, and the big otherwise empty mustardy band up top 
eliminated.

Also, I notice that even with all the language options available 
there's not one for Esperanto.  An Esperanto interface might just be 
the draw we need to attract the hordes of Esperanto Diplomacy players:

	http://members.tripod.com/~jcst/Diplomatio/

:)

Actually, as I look deeper, it makes me wonder how much control do you 
have over the placement of the sidebars with PHP-Nuke...  My own 
PHP-Nuke experience is zero (I use mostly Zope / CMF / Plone).  At 
first blush I confess I didn't even notice the left hand side one 
because my browser window wasn't open wide enough.  Most of the stories 
seem to be pretty short (just 1 - 4 lines within the display anyway) so 
perhaps there could be some width adjustments made there (or even both 
the sidebars combined into one as there are enough stories to support 
the length).  Granted, some people run browser windows in full-screen 
mode, but not everyone does.  The flexibility to support somewhat 
narrower displays without mandatory horizontal scrolling would be a 
definite bonus.

Since the second sidebar also has a search box, it makes even more 
sense to me to remove the top search box.

Finally, does PHP-Nuke support easy RSS output of news stories?  
There's some mention of it down the bottom being provided by some 
additional products.  It would be nice if it were easy to do.  If not, 
oh well.

Anyhow, just a few random thoughts meant to be constructive, not 
negative.  On the whole it's excellent work and it's good to see an 
updated site.

Re: New Proposed Xconq Web Site Online

[Elijah Meeks]

> / Plone).  At 
> first blush I confess I didn't even notice the left
> hand side one 
> because my browser window wasn't open wide enough. 
> Most of the stories 
> seem to be pretty short (just 1 - 4 lines within the
> display anyway) so 
> perhaps there could be some width adjustments made
> there (or even both 
> the sidebars combined into one as there are enough
> stories to support 
> the length).  Granted, some people run browser
> windows in full-screen 
> mode, but not everyone does.  

This seemed to be a result of the XConq logo image. 
Maybe it should be resized?  At some point, though, we
should come up with a new logo.  Any artists out there?


		
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Re: New Proposed Xconq Web Site Online

[D. Cooper Stevenson]

On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 14:13, Feneric Brown wrote:
> It looks generally good. 

Thank you!

>  I think the search box might be better placed 
> in the sidebar though, and the big otherwise empty mustardy band up top 
> eliminated.

Done. Do you think the search box looks okay or should it go elsewhere?

[snip] - I'm as multi-cultural as the next guy, but I'm afraid the
Espertinos are out of luck :)


> Actually, as I look deeper, it makes me wonder how much control do you 
> have over the placement of the sidebars with PHP-Nuke... 

Just about whatever you want in terms of look and placement.

>  Most of the stories 
> seem to be pretty short (just 1 - 4 lines within the display anyway)

This may be because you are seeing the story's header. Does clicking the
"Read More" link help? Also noted is Eli's input about the Xconq logo. 

>  so 
> perhaps there could be some width adjustments made there (or even both 
> the sidebars combined into one as there are enough stories to support 
> the length).  

Assuming that it's not the logo size (and it probably is as Eli
suggested) then this should be fixed (some tweaking may be required).

> Since the second sidebar also has a search box, it makes even more 
> sense to me to remove the top search box.
> 

Done (if vertical placement makes sense; very easy to change).

> Finally, does PHP-Nuke support easy RSS output of news stories?  

Absolutely. It's really easy to do. The Xconq site currently does. Point
your RSS feeder to this link:

  http://www.xconq.org/backend.php

  I also routinely put RSS feeds in as blocks from other sites. If there
are Xconq related RSS feeds, by all means, do tell!


> 
> Anyhow, just a few random thoughts meant to be constructive, not 
> negative.  

You could have written and said, "Coop, that is the ugliest color scheme
I have ever seen," and I would have about squealed that you gave such
honest feedback and changed them immediately. 

You can try this at home! Simply send a "one liner" that says, "Coop,
that is the ugliest color scheme I have ever seen" and see what happens!

> On the whole it's excellent work and it's good to see an 
> updated site.

Thanks!


-Coop

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Re: New Proposed Xconq Web Site Online

[Jim Kingdon]

> Also, I notice that even with all the language options available 
> there's not one for Esperanto.  An Esperanto interface might just be 
> the draw we need to attract the hordes of Esperanto Diplomacy players:

Eble la plej granda demandon oni jam demandis en la Diplomatio pagho:
chu la pacemaj Esperantistoj desiras ludi ludon pri milito?
Aliflanke, esperantistoj shatas ludojn kaj en esperanto-kongreso oni
ofte ludas esperante.

Re: New Proposed Xconq Web Site Online

[Eric McDonald]

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004, Jim Kingdon wrote:

> > Also, I notice that even with all the language options available 
> > there's not one for Esperanto.  An Esperanto interface might just be 
> > the draw we need to attract the hordes of Esperanto Diplomacy players:
> 
> Eble la plej granda demandon oni jam demandis en la Diplomatio pagho:
> chu la pacemaj Esperantistoj desiras ludi ludon pri milito?
> Aliflanke, esperantistoj shatas ludojn kaj en esperanto-kongreso oni
> ofte ludas esperante.

Hmmm... Esperanto appears to be a declined and conjugated 
language, like Latin. The "j" endings are interesting; perhaps 
borrowed from a Slavic language? The root "lud" is probably "game" 
as it is in Latin, though it appears to be used as a verb as well, 
perhaps "play" and forms thereof? "Milit" is probably a root 
dealing with soldier or military; similar to Latin. "la" is 
probably "the". "kongreso" is a coming together, a congress, a 
gathering, most likely. "Diplomatio" -> "Diplomacy". "granda" -> 
"great"? "desiras" -> "desire" or "desires", _I'm still 
deciphering the declension system. "Esperant" and its various 
forms pertain to the language itself, obviously. "demand" -> 
"demand". "en" is either "in" or "on". "en la Diplomatio pagho" -> 
"on the Diplomacy [Web] page"??

I guess I am going to have to drop in on some Esperanto 
conversations; solving linguistic puzzles is fun.

Now we will have to see if any Klingon speakers want 
representation as well.

Eric

Re: New Proposed Xconq Web Site Online

[Jim Kingdon]

> Esperanto appears to be a declined and conjugated language, like
> Latin.

Only a little bit.  There are only 2 cases (subject and object),
compared with 6 (I think) for Latin, 4 for German.

And there are only 3 tenses (past, present, future), compared with
many more for romance languages.

There is no gramatical gender.

> The "j" endings are interesting; perhaps borrowed from a Slavic
> language?

Not sure where that comes from, but I have a vague recollection of
other languages which form plurals by adding "y" (or "j", but it is
the sound that would be spelled "y" in English).  Italian changes the
last vowel...

> The root "lud" is probably "game" as it is in Latin, though it appears
> to be used as a verb as well,

Yup.  Many roots can be used as multiple parts of speech by just
varying the ending.  Like English but more so.

> "Milit" is probably a root dealing with soldier or military; similar
> to Latin. "la" is probably "the". "kongreso" is a coming together, a
> congress, a gathering, most likely. "Diplomatio" -> "Diplomacy".

Yup.  In this context, "kongreso" means an Esperanto conference.

Here is the list of endings:

-a adjective
-o noun
-e adverb
-i verb (infinitive)
-is verb, past tense
-as verb, present tense
-os verb, future tense
-u verb, imperative
-j plural
-n accusative (object) case; can be combined with -a, -o, -j, etc.

> I guess I am going to have to drop in on some Esperanto 
> conversations; solving linguistic puzzles is fun.

There's always http://www.lernu.net/ (but that's only for people who
read manuals - the Real Hacker(TM) will want to skip right to the
grammar book written in Esperanto - http://purl.oclc.org/NET/pmeg )

> Now we will have to see if any Klingon speakers want 
> representation as well.

Klingon speakers do not *want* representation; Kling speakers *demand*
representation.

[Offtopic] EsperantoConq

[Eric McDonald]

Jim Kingdon wrote:
>>Esperanto appears to be a declined and conjugated language, like
>>Latin.
> 
> 
> Only a little bit.  There are only 2 cases (subject and object),
> compared with 6 (I think) for Latin, 4 for German.

Yes. Latin has Nominative (subject), Genitive (possessive), Dative 
(to/from), Accusative (object), Ablative (prepositional, excluding the 
Dative), and Vocative (direct address).

As a side note, the accusative can be used with 'ad' or 'a', in which 
case the meaning is "into" rather than "to".

Vocative would be like: "Dico te Pyrrhe..." -> "I say [to you], 
Pyrrhus..." (This is the beginning of a famous Latin pun (because the 
whole sentence can be parsed two different ways, both of which have 
perfectly valid semantics) in which a Roman author (I forgot whom) poked 
fun of the Greek general Pyhrrus' "Pyrrhic victory" over the Romans).

> And there are only 3 tenses (past, present, future), compared with
> many more for romance languages.

What, no pluperfect?! :-)

> There is no gramatical gender.

Then there are three separate 3rd person singular personal pronouns, I 
assume....

> Not sure where that comes from, but I have a vague recollection of
> other languages which form plurals by adding "y" (or "j", but it is
> the sound that would be spelled "y" in English).

That depends: "j" can also go to a breathing sound or a full "h". And 
with Latin, it is a consonantal "i".

> Here is the list of endings:

Agh, you ruined it for me! I had already guessed part of the list. But, 
not to sound ungrateful, I'll say thanks.

> There's always http://www.lernu.net/ (but that's only for people who
> read manuals - the Real Hacker(TM) will want to skip right to the
> grammar book written in Esperanto - http://purl.oclc.org/NET/pmeg )

Thanks.

>>Now we will have to see if any Klingon speakers want 
>>representation as well. 
> 
> Klingon speakers do not *want* representation; Kling speakers *demand*
> representation.

:-)
I hear that they're not just confined to mental institutions and Star 
Trek conventions anymore....

Eric

Re: New Proposed Xconq Web Site Online

[Eric McDonald]

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004, Jim Kingdon wrote:

> Eble la plej granda demandon oni jam demandis en la Diplomatio pagho:
> chu la pacemaj Esperantistoj desiras ludi ludon pri milito?
> Aliflanke, esperantistoj shatas ludojn kaj en esperanto-kongreso oni
> ofte ludas esperante.

"Aliflanke" -> "alternatively", "on the other hand"? "Ali" -> 
alien, et alii from Latin. "flanke" sounds Germanic, perhaps 
"flank" or "hand".

OK, I'll stop now....

Eric

Re: New Proposed Xconq Web Site Online

[Jim Kingdon]

> "Aliflanke" -> "alternatively", "on the other hand"? "Ali" -> alien,
> et alii from Latin. "flanke" sounds Germanic, perhaps "flank" or
> "hand".

Yes.  "flanko" is indeed "flank" although "side" is the word we'd
generally use in English (e.g. "la alia flanko de la strato" -> the
other side of the street).

[Offtopic] EsperantoConq

[Feneric Brown]

I suppose you could also say "Eksconq" -- proper Esperanto doesn't have 
an "X" character.

> Agh, you ruined it for me! I had already guessed part of the list. 
> But, not to sound ungrateful, I'll say thanks.

Don't worry; there are a few more.  Things like -ad, -ant, -at, -int, 
-it, -ont, and -ot plus quite a few official (and some common 
unofficial) suffixes exist to figure out, too.

>  (1) I have detected no repeated consonants or vowels thus far.

Scii esperanto estas bona.

Re: [Offtopic] EsperantoConq

[Jim Kingdon]

> I suppose you could also say "Eksconq"

Jes, eble "ekskonk'", "ekskonko" aux "ikso-konko".  Laux mia vortaro
(PV), oni diras "iksoradioj" por "X-rays".

> Scii esperanto estas bona.

Bonan ekzemplon.  La vorto "scii" havas du silabojn.

Re: [Offtopic] EsperantoConq

[Eric McDonald]

Jim Kingdon wrote:
>>I suppose you could also say "Eksconq"
> 
> 
> Jes, eble "ekskonk'", "ekskonko" aux "ikso-konko".  Laux mia vortaro
> (PV), oni diras "iksoradioj" por "X-rays".

"Yes, possibly 'ekskonk', 'ekskonko' or 'ikso-konko'. ____ my ____ (PV), 
one says 'iksoradioj' for 'X-rays'".

I wonder if "vortaro" is a derivative of "vorto", or something entirely 
different.

>>Scii esperanto estas bona.
>  
> Bonan ekzemplon.  La vorto "scii" havas du silabojn.

"Good example. The word 'scii' has two syllables."

Eric

Re: [Offtopic] EsperantoConq

[Feneric Brown]

> Jes, eble "ekskonk'", "ekskonko" aux "ikso-konko".  Laux mia vortaro
> (PV), oni diras "iksoradioj" por "X-rays".

True, I'd focused on the big "X" and overlooked the little "q".  That's 
interesting with X-rays; I've personally always pronounced the "X" in 
"X-rays" like the "ex" in "example", and Esperanto seems to universally 
translate English "ex-" to "eks-".