[DEPRECATED] perl distributions

[DEPRECATED] perl distributions

[Achim Gratz]

The following distributions will no longer be available after the
perl-5.32 release as they have been deprecated upstream:

perl-Gnome2                                  Achim Gratz
perl-Gnome2-Canvas                           Achim Gratz
perl-Gnome2-GConf                            Achim Gratz
perl-Gnome2-Rsvg                             Achim Gratz
perl-Gnome2-VFS                              Achim Gratz
perl-Gnome2-Vte                              Achim Gratz
perl-Gnome2-Wnck                             Achim Gratz
perl-Gtk2                                    Achim Gratz
perl-Gtk2-GladeXML                           Achim Gratz
perl-Gtk2-Notify                             Achim Gratz
perl-Gtk2-SourceView2                        Achim Gratz
perl-Gtk2-Spell                              Achim Gratz
perl-Gtk2-Unique                             Achim Gratz
perl-Gtk2-WebKit                             Achim Gratz

There are no external dependencies to these, so please just mark them as
OBSOLETE.

Further obsoletions:

perl-Win32

The version in perl-5.32 core is up-to-date, so that package no longer
serves a purpose.


Regards,
Achim.
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Re: [DEPRECATED] perl distributions

[Marco Atzeri]

On 30.01.2021 10:04, Achim Gratz wrote:
> 
> The following distributions will no longer be available after the
> perl-5.32 release as they have been deprecated upstream:
> 
> perl-Gnome2                                  Achim Gratz
> perl-Gnome2-Canvas                           Achim Gratz
> perl-Gnome2-GConf                            Achim Gratz
> perl-Gnome2-Rsvg                             Achim Gratz
> perl-Gnome2-VFS                              Achim Gratz
> perl-Gnome2-Vte                              Achim Gratz
> perl-Gnome2-Wnck                             Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2                                    Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2-GladeXML                           Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2-Notify                             Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2-SourceView2                        Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2-Spell                              Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2-Unique                             Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2-WebKit                             Achim Gratz
> 
> There are no external dependencies to these, so please just mark them as
> OBSOLETE.
> 
> Further obsoletions:
> 
> perl-Win32
> 
> The version in perl-5.32 core is up-to-date, so that package no longer
> serves a purpose.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Achim.
> 

Jon,
any objection ?

last time I added OBSOLETE you reversed it.
But maybe as I also moved the package from arch to noarch tree.

Regards
Marco

Re: [DEPRECATED] perl distributions

[Achim Gratz]

Marco Atzeri via Cygwin-apps writes:
> last time I added OBSOLETE you reversed it.
> But maybe as I also moved the package from arch to noarch tree.

There is nothing to do on the release area for these, the old packages
for perl-5.30 can be kept for a while, but there won't be any new ones
for perl-5.32 and later.


Regards,
Achim.
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Re: [DEPRECATED] perl distributions

[Jon Turney]

On 31/01/2021 17:15, Achim Gratz wrote:
> Marco Atzeri via Cygwin-apps writes:
>> last time I added OBSOLETE you reversed it.
>> But maybe as I also moved the package from arch to noarch tree.

Unfortunately, calm currently checks that packages marked as 'OBSOLETE' 
are actually obsoleted.

So at the moment, it's ok to make that change in cygwin-pkg-maint, after 
obsoletion has happened.

> There is nothing to do on the release area for these, the old packages
> for perl-5.30 can be kept for a while, but there won't be any new ones
> for perl-5.32 and later.

Re: [DEPRECATED] perl distributions

[Marco Atzeri]

On 30.01.2021 10:04, Achim Gratz wrote:
> 
> The following distributions will no longer be available after the
> perl-5.32 release as they have been deprecated upstream:
> 
> perl-Gnome2                                  Achim Gratz
> perl-Gnome2-Canvas                           Achim Gratz
> perl-Gnome2-GConf                            Achim Gratz
> perl-Gnome2-Rsvg                             Achim Gratz
> perl-Gnome2-VFS                              Achim Gratz
> perl-Gnome2-Vte                              Achim Gratz
> perl-Gnome2-Wnck                             Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2                                    Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2-GladeXML                           Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2-Notify                             Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2-SourceView2                        Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2-Spell                              Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2-Unique                             Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2-WebKit                             Achim Gratz
> 
> There are no external dependencies to these, so please just mark them as
> OBSOLETE.
> 
> Further obsoletions:
> 
> perl-Win32
> 
> The version in perl-5.32 core is up-to-date, so that package no longer
> serves a purpose.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Achim.


Hi Jon,
how we should manage the obsolescence ?

Regards
Marco

Re: [DEPRECATED] perl distributions

[Jon Turney]

On 09/07/2022 08:00, Marco Atzeri wrote:
> On 30.01.2021 10:04, Achim Gratz wrote:
>>
>> The following distributions will no longer be available after the
>> perl-5.32 release as they have been deprecated upstream:
>>
>> perl-Gnome2                                  Achim Gratz
>> perl-Gnome2-Canvas                           Achim Gratz
>> perl-Gnome2-GConf                            Achim Gratz
>> perl-Gnome2-Rsvg                             Achim Gratz
>> perl-Gnome2-VFS                              Achim Gratz
>> perl-Gnome2-Vte                              Achim Gratz
>> perl-Gnome2-Wnck                             Achim Gratz
>> perl-Gtk2                                    Achim Gratz
>> perl-Gtk2-GladeXML                           Achim Gratz
>> perl-Gtk2-Notify                             Achim Gratz
>> perl-Gtk2-SourceView2                        Achim Gratz
>> perl-Gtk2-Spell                              Achim Gratz
>> perl-Gtk2-Unique                             Achim Gratz
>> perl-Gtk2-WebKit                             Achim Gratz
>>
>> There are no external dependencies to these, so please just mark them as
>> OBSOLETE.

I think these all depend on 'perl5_030' (which is provided by a single 
remaining version of perl) or 'perl5_026' (which nothing provides anymore)

Long-term, I think calm should be taught to expire (= move to the vault) 
packages which are no longer installable because their requires don't 
exist any more.

I'm not sure if you have access the ~cygwin-admin/bin/vault script (note 
this takes a shell glob as an argument which should match a specific 
package & version, if you want to manually do that...

(I think we need to retain packages there rather than remove them 
totally for legal reasons)

>> Further obsoletions:
>>
>> perl-Win32
>>
>> The version in perl-5.32 core is up-to-date, so that package no longer
>> serves a purpose.

This should probably be obsoleted by perl, then?

> 
> Hi Jon,
> how we should manage the obsolescence ?

Re: [DEPRECATED] perl distributions

[Jon Turney]

On 30/01/2021 09:04, Achim Gratz wrote:
> 
> The following distributions will no longer be available after the
> perl-5.32 release as they have been deprecated upstream:
> 
> perl-Gnome2                                  Achim Gratz
> perl-Gnome2-Canvas                           Achim Gratz
> perl-Gnome2-GConf                            Achim Gratz
> perl-Gnome2-Rsvg                             Achim Gratz
> perl-Gnome2-VFS                              Achim Gratz
> perl-Gnome2-Vte                              Achim Gratz
> perl-Gnome2-Wnck                             Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2                                    Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2-GladeXML                           Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2-Notify                             Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2-SourceView2                        Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2-Spell                              Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2-Unique                             Achim Gratz
> perl-Gtk2-WebKit                             Achim Gratz
> 
> There are no external dependencies to these, so please just mark them as
> OBSOLETE.

I've vaulted all versions of these packages. Sorry for taking so long to 
get around to this.


At the moment, 'OBSOLETE' in cygwin-pkg-maint has a very specific 
meaning: the line is simply ignored by calm.

If you just mark a package as OBSOLETE without any other action, calm's 
going to warn about an unexpected package in the relarea.

That works in the case when a package has been replaced by something 
else, and the historically necessary rearrangement to make the obsoleted 
package a sub-package of the package which replaces it has happened. (we 
didn't just remove the obsolete package because historically the 
obsoletion was recorded in the obsoleted package's metadata).

(There's a whole other set of considerations for packages with the 
category '_obsolete', but again I think those are historical artefacts)


I'm not sure what the word is for the status of these packages (but they 
are all deprecated upstream, don't have a direct replacement, probably 
aren't of any use to anybody, so clearly keeping them around any longer 
is pointless...)

Re: [DEPRECATED] perl distributions

[Achim Gratz]

Jon Turney via Cygwin-apps writes:
> I'm not sure what the word is for the status of these packages (but
> they are all deprecated upstream, don't have a direct replacement,
> probably aren't of any use to anybody, so clearly keeping them around
> any longer is pointless...)

When I wrote this originally, there was still the possibility that
someone could reasonably keep the previous Perl version around and then
expect to still have these packages available.  That was my reason for
not wanting to just delete them at that time, anyway.


Regards,
Achim.
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