Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors)

Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors)

[Andy Koppe]

On 31 May 2010 22:29, Christopher Faylor:
> Part of the reason I want to do this is that I just saw Andy commenting
> in a "Death of Cygwin" blog post where the author was surprised that
> something like mintty existed at all.

Seems the author has quietly retracted his post, including our
comments. How classy.

Andy

Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors)

[Christopher Faylor]

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:34:37PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote:
>On 31 May 2010 22:29, Christopher Faylor:
>> Part of the reason I want to do this is that I just saw Andy commenting
>> in a "Death of Cygwin" blog post where the author was surprised that
>> something like mintty existed at all.
>
>Seems the author has quietly retracted his post, including our
>comments. How classy.

Classy, indeed.  I mean to go back and see if there was a response to my
response.  I guess that was it.

cgf

Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors)

[Corinna Vinschen]

On May 31 20:42, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:34:37PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote:
> >On 31 May 2010 22:29, Christopher Faylor:
> >> Part of the reason I want to do this is that I just saw Andy commenting
> >> in a "Death of Cygwin" blog post where the author was surprised that
> >> something like mintty existed at all.
> >
> >Seems the author has quietly retracted his post, including our
> >comments. How classy.
> 
> Classy, indeed.  I mean to go back and see if there was a response to my
> response.  I guess that was it.

Any chance to find a copy of the blog via the google memory?  What was
the name of the blog and where was it?


Corinna

RE: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors)

[Mike Marchywka]

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> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:20:43 +0200
> From: corinna-cygwin@cygwin.com
> To: cygwin-talk@cygwin.com
> Subject: Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors)
>
> On May 31 20:42, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:34:37PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote:
>>>On 31 May 2010 22:29, Christopher Faylor:
>>>> Part of the reason I want to do this is that I just saw Andy commenting
>>>> in a "Death of Cygwin" blog post where the author was surprised that
>>>> something like mintty existed at all.
>>>
>>>Seems the author has quietly retracted his post, including our
>>>comments. How classy.
>>
>> Classy, indeed. I mean to go back and see if there was a response to my
>> response. I guess that was it.
>

You might think that this selective memory only applies to informal
forum and blogs but it comes up everywhere. This is probably no 
surprise, but I will just mention more examples. You see intellectualized
variants in statistics even in hard sciences but consider pumps for
various stocks that state things like, " if you'd just picked these internet
stocks at random in 1999 you could have been rich today." Of course, the
ones that survived went up and the ones that went under are not included in
today's sampes of things you could have picked. 

In these cases, usually the only thing on the line is a small wager or
some bragging rights. In other cases however, the glaringly wrong
prediction can be a source of thought provoking musings- how could
anyone think that at the time is not just a rhetorical expression
of disgust director toward the OP, but a real request for information of
some use understanding situations today. 


You also see examples where prior editorial decisions look stupid-
sometimes the premiere journal Nature publishes a list of
paradigm breaking papers that were badly treated by original
editors or reviewers. Things taken as obvious today weren't
obvious before the paradigm was changed (duh). 




> Any chance to find a copy of the blog via the google memory? What was
> the name of the blog and where was it?
>

This is like trying to get stock charts of enron or find websites from failed
biotech or internet companies to see what promises they made at the time.
Most fields try to bury corpses without dissection cynically-you could guess that this is
for the sake of continued profit from repeated mistakes. Failure analysis,
understanding the false prophet, you could argue is a waste of time compared to
just studyng successes but both are important for perspective and statistical baselines. 
I don't think I personally would spend a lot of time going through these or
every quack cancer cure someone puts on a free hosting site but sometimes
they are quite helpful especially if you can sort through them with automated
tools, maybe looking for keywords unique to scams. 

Goog does cache stuff but it seems to be really hit or miss. For this issue maybe not a
big deal but in general I'd like to find a way to archive various things that seemed
like a good idea at the time but didn't quite work out. 


>
> Corinna






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Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors)

[Andy Koppe]

On 1 June 2010 09:20, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> On May 31 20:42, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:34:37PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote:
>> >On 31 May 2010 22:29, Christopher Faylor:
>> >> Part of the reason I want to do this is that I just saw Andy commenting
>> >> in a "Death of Cygwin" blog post where the author was surprised that
>> >> something like mintty existed at all.
>> >
>> >Seems the author has quietly retracted his post, including our
>> >comments. How classy.
>>
>> Classy, indeed.  I mean to go back and see if there was a response to my
>> response.  I guess that was it.
>
> Any chance to find a copy of the blog via the google memory?  What was
> the name of the blog and where was it?

"It's Time for Cygwin to Close Shop", at
http://hokietux.net/blog/?p=152. Still appears on Google, but the
cached copy there doesn't work. I found it in my browser's cache
though. Says it's under a Creative Commons license, so attaching it
here is fine I hope.

Andy

Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors)

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 12:45:34PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote:
>On 1 June 2010 09:20, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>>On May 31 20:42, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>>On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:34:37PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote:
>>>>On 31 May 2010 22:29, Christopher Faylor:
>>>>>Part of the reason I want to do this is that I just saw Andy commenting
>>>>>in a "Death of Cygwin" blog post where the author was surprised that
>>>>>something like mintty existed at all.
>>>>
>>>>Seems the author has quietly retracted his post, including our
>>>>comments.  How classy.
>>>
>>>Classy, indeed.  ??I mean to go back and see if there was a response to
>>>my response.  ??I guess that was it.
>>
>>Any chance to find a copy of the blog via the google memory?  ??What
>>was the name of the blog and where was it?
>
>"It's Time for Cygwin to Close Shop", at
>http://hokietux.net/blog/?p=152.  Still appears on Google, but the
>cached copy there doesn't work.  I found it in my browser's cache
>though.  Says it's under a Creative Commons license, so attaching it
>here is fine I hope.

I couldn't find it either.  I don't think I've often seen a situation
where google incorrectly claims there is a cached copy.

IIRC, the gist of the argument was that since virtual machines work so
well, there is no longer a need for Cygwin.  Oh, and a lot of Cygwin's
packages like ssh and vim are buggier than their Windows alternatives.

Were you going to attach it Andy?

cgf

Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors)

[Christopher Faylor]

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On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 10:14:32AM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 12:45:34PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote:
>>On 1 June 2010 09:20, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>>>On May 31 20:42, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>>>On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:34:37PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote:
>>>>>On 31 May 2010 22:29, Christopher Faylor:
>>>>>>Part of the reason I want to do this is that I just saw Andy commenting
>>>>>>in a "Death of Cygwin" blog post where the author was surprised that
>>>>>>something like mintty existed at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>Seems the author has quietly retracted his post, including our
>>>>>comments.  How classy.
>>>>
>>>>Classy, indeed.  ??I mean to go back and see if there was a response to
>>>>my response.  ??I guess that was it.
>>>
>>>Any chance to find a copy of the blog via the google memory?  ??What
>>>was the name of the blog and where was it?
>>
>>"It's Time for Cygwin to Close Shop", at
>>http://hokietux.net/blog/?p=152.  Still appears on Google, but the
>>cached copy there doesn't work.  I found it in my browser's cache
>>though.  Says it's under a Creative Commons license, so attaching it
>>here is fine I hope.
>
>I couldn't find it either.  I don't think I've often seen a situation
>where google incorrectly claims there is a cached copy.
>
>IIRC, the gist of the argument was that since virtual machines work so
>well, there is no longer a need for Cygwin.  Oh, and a lot of Cygwin's
>packages like ssh and vim are buggier than their Windows alternatives.
>
>Were you going to attach it Andy?

I see it didn't make it through the spam filter.  Here it is, extracted
from Andy's blocked mail.

cgf

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[-- Type: application/octet-stream, Size: 12798 bytes --]

Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors)

[Andy Koppe]

On 1 June 2010 18:28, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>>>Any chance to find a copy of the blog via the google memory?  ??What
>>>>was the name of the blog and where was it?
>>>
>>>"It's Time for Cygwin to Close Shop", at
>>>http://hokietux.net/blog/?p=152.  Still appears on Google, but the
>>>cached copy there doesn't work.  I found it in my browser's cache
>>>though.  Says it's under a Creative Commons license, so attaching it
>>>here is fine I hope.
>>
>>I couldn't find it either.  I don't think I've often seen a situation
>>where google incorrectly claims there is a cached copy.
>>
>>IIRC, the gist of the argument was that since virtual machines work so
>>well, there is no longer a need for Cygwin.  Oh, and a lot of Cygwin's
>>packages like ssh and vim are buggier than their Windows alternatives.
>>
>>Were you going to attach it Andy?
>
> I see it didn't make it through the spam filter.  Here it is, extracted
> from Andy's blocked mail.

Cheers, I was just thinking about my next attempt to get it through,
after trying html and zip. So gz is the way to go.

Andy

Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors)

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Jun  1 13:28, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 10:14:32AM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> >On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 12:45:34PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote:
> >>http://hokietux.net/blog/?p=152.
> >
> >Were you going to attach it Andy?
> 
> I see it didn't make it through the spam filter.  Here it is, extracted
> from Andy's blocked mail.

Thanks!


Corinna