* Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors) [not found] ` <20100531212927.GI18315@ednor.casa.cgf.cx> @ 2010-05-31 22:34 ` Andy Koppe 2010-06-01 0:42 ` Christopher Faylor 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Andy Koppe @ 2010-05-31 22:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin-talk On 31 May 2010 22:29, Christopher Faylor: > Part of the reason I want to do this is that I just saw Andy commenting > in a "Death of Cygwin" blog post where the author was surprised that > something like mintty existed at all. Seems the author has quietly retracted his post, including our comments. How classy. Andy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors) 2010-05-31 22:34 ` default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors) Andy Koppe @ 2010-06-01 0:42 ` Christopher Faylor 2010-06-01 8:20 ` Corinna Vinschen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2010-06-01 0:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin-talk On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:34:37PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote: >On 31 May 2010 22:29, Christopher Faylor: >> Part of the reason I want to do this is that I just saw Andy commenting >> in a "Death of Cygwin" blog post where the author was surprised that >> something like mintty existed at all. > >Seems the author has quietly retracted his post, including our >comments. How classy. Classy, indeed. I mean to go back and see if there was a response to my response. I guess that was it. cgf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors) 2010-06-01 0:42 ` Christopher Faylor @ 2010-06-01 8:20 ` Corinna Vinschen 2010-06-01 11:00 ` Mike Marchywka 2010-06-01 11:45 ` Andy Koppe 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2010-06-01 8:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin-talk On May 31 20:42, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:34:37PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote: > >On 31 May 2010 22:29, Christopher Faylor: > >> Part of the reason I want to do this is that I just saw Andy commenting > >> in a "Death of Cygwin" blog post where the author was surprised that > >> something like mintty existed at all. > > > >Seems the author has quietly retracted his post, including our > >comments. How classy. > > Classy, indeed. I mean to go back and see if there was a response to my > response. I guess that was it. Any chance to find a copy of the blog via the google memory? What was the name of the blog and where was it? Corinna ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* RE: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors) 2010-06-01 8:20 ` Corinna Vinschen @ 2010-06-01 11:00 ` Mike Marchywka 2010-06-01 11:45 ` Andy Koppe 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Mike Marchywka @ 2010-06-01 11:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin-talk ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:20:43 +0200 > From: corinna-cygwin@cygwin.com > To: cygwin-talk@cygwin.com > Subject: Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors) > > On May 31 20:42, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:34:37PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote: >>>On 31 May 2010 22:29, Christopher Faylor: >>>> Part of the reason I want to do this is that I just saw Andy commenting >>>> in a "Death of Cygwin" blog post where the author was surprised that >>>> something like mintty existed at all. >>> >>>Seems the author has quietly retracted his post, including our >>>comments. How classy. >> >> Classy, indeed. I mean to go back and see if there was a response to my >> response. I guess that was it. > You might think that this selective memory only applies to informal forum and blogs but it comes up everywhere. This is probably no surprise, but I will just mention more examples. You see intellectualized variants in statistics even in hard sciences but consider pumps for various stocks that state things like, " if you'd just picked these internet stocks at random in 1999 you could have been rich today." Of course, the ones that survived went up and the ones that went under are not included in today's sampes of things you could have picked. In these cases, usually the only thing on the line is a small wager or some bragging rights. In other cases however, the glaringly wrong prediction can be a source of thought provoking musings- how could anyone think that at the time is not just a rhetorical expression of disgust director toward the OP, but a real request for information of some use understanding situations today. You also see examples where prior editorial decisions look stupid- sometimes the premiere journal Nature publishes a list of paradigm breaking papers that were badly treated by original editors or reviewers. Things taken as obvious today weren't obvious before the paradigm was changed (duh). > Any chance to find a copy of the blog via the google memory? What was > the name of the blog and where was it? > This is like trying to get stock charts of enron or find websites from failed biotech or internet companies to see what promises they made at the time. Most fields try to bury corpses without dissection cynically-you could guess that this is for the sake of continued profit from repeated mistakes. Failure analysis, understanding the false prophet, you could argue is a waste of time compared to just studyng successes but both are important for perspective and statistical baselines. I don't think I personally would spend a lot of time going through these or every quack cancer cure someone puts on a free hosting site but sometimes they are quite helpful especially if you can sort through them with automated tools, maybe looking for keywords unique to scams. Goog does cache stuff but it seems to be really hit or miss. For this issue maybe not a big deal but in general I'd like to find a way to archive various things that seemed like a good idea at the time but didn't quite work out. > > Corinna note new address Mike Marchywka 1975 Village Round Marietta GA 30064 415-264-8477 (w)<- use this 404-788-1216 (C)<- leave message 989-348-4796 (P)<- emergency only marchywka@hotmail.com Note: If I am asking for free stuff, I normally use for hobby/non-profit information but may use in investment forums, public and private. Please indicate any concerns if applicable. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors) 2010-06-01 8:20 ` Corinna Vinschen 2010-06-01 11:00 ` Mike Marchywka @ 2010-06-01 11:45 ` Andy Koppe 2010-06-01 14:14 ` Christopher Faylor 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Andy Koppe @ 2010-06-01 11:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Vulgar and Unprofessional Cygwin-Talk List On 1 June 2010 09:20, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > On May 31 20:42, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:34:37PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote: >> >On 31 May 2010 22:29, Christopher Faylor: >> >> Part of the reason I want to do this is that I just saw Andy commenting >> >> in a "Death of Cygwin" blog post where the author was surprised that >> >> something like mintty existed at all. >> > >> >Seems the author has quietly retracted his post, including our >> >comments. How classy. >> >> Classy, indeed. I mean to go back and see if there was a response to my >> response. I guess that was it. > > Any chance to find a copy of the blog via the google memory? What was > the name of the blog and where was it? "It's Time for Cygwin to Close Shop", at http://hokietux.net/blog/?p=152. Still appears on Google, but the cached copy there doesn't work. I found it in my browser's cache though. Says it's under a Creative Commons license, so attaching it here is fine I hope. Andy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors) 2010-06-01 11:45 ` Andy Koppe @ 2010-06-01 14:14 ` Christopher Faylor [not found] ` <20100601142337.GB22977@ednor.casa.cgf.cx> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2010-06-01 14:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin-talk On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 12:45:34PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote: >On 1 June 2010 09:20, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >>On May 31 20:42, Christopher Faylor wrote: >>>On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:34:37PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote: >>>>On 31 May 2010 22:29, Christopher Faylor: >>>>>Part of the reason I want to do this is that I just saw Andy commenting >>>>>in a "Death of Cygwin" blog post where the author was surprised that >>>>>something like mintty existed at all. >>>> >>>>Seems the author has quietly retracted his post, including our >>>>comments. How classy. >>> >>>Classy, indeed. ??I mean to go back and see if there was a response to >>>my response. ??I guess that was it. >> >>Any chance to find a copy of the blog via the google memory? ??What >>was the name of the blog and where was it? > >"It's Time for Cygwin to Close Shop", at >http://hokietux.net/blog/?p=152. Still appears on Google, but the >cached copy there doesn't work. I found it in my browser's cache >though. Says it's under a Creative Commons license, so attaching it >here is fine I hope. I couldn't find it either. I don't think I've often seen a situation where google incorrectly claims there is a cached copy. IIRC, the gist of the argument was that since virtual machines work so well, there is no longer a need for Cygwin. Oh, and a lot of Cygwin's packages like ssh and vim are buggier than their Windows alternatives. Were you going to attach it Andy? cgf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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* Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors) [not found] ` <20100601142337.GB22977@ednor.casa.cgf.cx> @ 2010-06-01 17:28 ` Christopher Faylor 2010-06-01 18:01 ` Andy Koppe 2010-06-01 18:55 ` Corinna Vinschen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2010-06-01 17:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin-talk [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1643 bytes --] On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 10:14:32AM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: >On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 12:45:34PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote: >>On 1 June 2010 09:20, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >>>On May 31 20:42, Christopher Faylor wrote: >>>>On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:34:37PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote: >>>>>On 31 May 2010 22:29, Christopher Faylor: >>>>>>Part of the reason I want to do this is that I just saw Andy commenting >>>>>>in a "Death of Cygwin" blog post where the author was surprised that >>>>>>something like mintty existed at all. >>>>> >>>>>Seems the author has quietly retracted his post, including our >>>>>comments. How classy. >>>> >>>>Classy, indeed. ??I mean to go back and see if there was a response to >>>>my response. ??I guess that was it. >>> >>>Any chance to find a copy of the blog via the google memory? ??What >>>was the name of the blog and where was it? >> >>"It's Time for Cygwin to Close Shop", at >>http://hokietux.net/blog/?p=152. Still appears on Google, but the >>cached copy there doesn't work. I found it in my browser's cache >>though. Says it's under a Creative Commons license, so attaching it >>here is fine I hope. > >I couldn't find it either. I don't think I've often seen a situation >where google incorrectly claims there is a cached copy. > >IIRC, the gist of the argument was that since virtual machines work so >well, there is no longer a need for Cygwin. Oh, and a lot of Cygwin's >packages like ssh and vim are buggier than their Windows alternatives. > >Were you going to attach it Andy? I see it didn't make it through the spam filter. Here it is, extracted from Andy's blocked mail. cgf [-- Attachment #2: closeshop.html.gz --] [-- Type: application/octet-stream, Size: 12798 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors) 2010-06-01 17:28 ` Christopher Faylor @ 2010-06-01 18:01 ` Andy Koppe 2010-06-01 18:55 ` Corinna Vinschen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Andy Koppe @ 2010-06-01 18:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Vulgar and Unprofessional Cygwin-Talk List On 1 June 2010 18:28, Christopher Faylor wrote: >>>>Any chance to find a copy of the blog via the google memory? ??What >>>>was the name of the blog and where was it? >>> >>>"It's Time for Cygwin to Close Shop", at >>>http://hokietux.net/blog/?p=152. Still appears on Google, but the >>>cached copy there doesn't work. I found it in my browser's cache >>>though. Says it's under a Creative Commons license, so attaching it >>>here is fine I hope. >> >>I couldn't find it either. I don't think I've often seen a situation >>where google incorrectly claims there is a cached copy. >> >>IIRC, the gist of the argument was that since virtual machines work so >>well, there is no longer a need for Cygwin. Oh, and a lot of Cygwin's >>packages like ssh and vim are buggier than their Windows alternatives. >> >>Were you going to attach it Andy? > > I see it didn't make it through the spam filter. Here it is, extracted > from Andy's blocked mail. Cheers, I was just thinking about my next attempt to get it through, after trying html and zip. So gz is the way to go. Andy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: default terminal (was: Re: "can't create master tty" errors) 2010-06-01 17:28 ` Christopher Faylor 2010-06-01 18:01 ` Andy Koppe @ 2010-06-01 18:55 ` Corinna Vinschen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2010-06-01 18:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin-talk On Jun 1 13:28, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 10:14:32AM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: > >On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 12:45:34PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote: > >>http://hokietux.net/blog/?p=152. > > > >Were you going to attach it Andy? > > I see it didn't make it through the spam filter. Here it is, extracted > from Andy's blocked mail. Thanks! Corinna ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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