suggest adding posting dates to follows-up and references

suggest adding posting dates to follows-up and references

[Nellis, Kenneth (Conduent)]

FWIW, here's a change that I would find beneficial:

At the bottom of a post, which is either a reply and/or has a follow-up, 
we see something like the following example:

 • Follow-Ups:
      ◦ Re: Hangs on connect to UNIX socket being listened on in the same process (was: Cygwin hanging in pselect) 
           ◾ From: Erik Bray

 • References: 
      ◦ Re: Hangs on connect to UNIX socket being listened on in the same process (was: Cygwin hanging in pselect) 
           ◾ From: Erik Bray

I would find it helpful to follow the users’ names with the date of the 
posting. This would be especially useful when there is a long list of 
either follows-up or references to help find the one being sought. 
For example:

       ◾ From: Erik Bray, Mon, 9 Jan 2017 14:29:00 +0100

—Ken Nellis

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Re: suggest adding posting dates to follows-up and references

[Eric Blake]

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On 02/22/2017 08:27 AM, Nellis, Kenneth (Conduent) wrote:
> FWIW, here's a change that I would find beneficial:
> 
> At the bottom of a post, which is either a reply and/or has a follow-up, 
> we see something like the following example:
> 
>  • Follow-Ups:

I'm guessing that you are using a webmail interface.  Such text is NOT
part of the email body being sent, but is rather it is added by your
webmail provider interpreting the <In-Reply-To> headers present on the
message.  Other mail clients have their own way of showing threads.  But
your request is not something the Cygwin list can change, but rather a
feature you'd have to request from your webmail provider (or that you
can change by downloading your emails and reading them with a local
client like thunderbird or mutt).

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RE: suggest adding posting dates to follows-up and references

[Nellis, Kenneth (Conduent)]

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From: Eric Blake 
> On 02/22/2017 08:27 AM, Nellis, Kenneth (Conduent) wrote:
> > FWIW, here's a change that I would find beneficial:
> >
> > At the bottom of a post, which is either a reply and/or has a follow-up,
> > we see something like the following example:
> >
> >  • Follow-Ups:
> 
> I'm guessing that you are using a webmail interface.  Such text is NOT
> part of the email body being sent, but is rather it is added by your
> webmail provider interpreting the <In-Reply-To> headers present on the
> message.  Other mail clients have their own way of showing threads.  But
> your request is not something the Cygwin list can change, but rather a
> feature you'd have to request from your webmail provider (or that you
> can change by downloading your emails and reading them with a local
> client like thunderbird or mutt).

No, I'm not using webmail. I am using browser to read postings directly
from http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin. (I copied from the web page,
then pasted and did a bit of editing to get the bullets to render
somewhat before posting. Maybe that gave the appearance of what 
webmail might do.)

--Ken



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Re: suggest adding posting dates to follows-up and references

[Eric Blake]

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On 02/22/2017 10:31 AM, Nellis, Kenneth (Conduent) wrote:

> No, I'm not using webmail. I am using browser to read postings directly
> from http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin. (I copied from the web page,
> then pasted and did a bit of editing to get the bullets to render
> somewhat before posting. Maybe that gave the appearance of what 
> webmail might do.)

Ah. Well, posting a URL of a page in question would have helped.  Let's
see; here's one :)

https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2017-02/msg00271.html

Well, according to the bottom of
https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2017-02/index.html, the Cygwin mailing list
archives are run by MHonArc software, so it would be a feature request
to MHonArc (https://www.mhonarc.org/) followed by getting the sourceware
webmaster to upgrade to the newer mhonarc version so that all sourceware
list archives (including cygwin) would benefit from that new feature.
Again, not something that cygwin is directly responsible for, as long as
MHonArc doesn't yet support it.

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RE: suggest adding posting dates to follows-up and references

[Nellis, Kenneth (Conduent)]

From: Eric Blake [mailto:eblake@redhat.com]
> Well, according to the bottom of
> https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2017-02/index.html, the Cygwin mailing list
> archives are run by MHonArc software, so it would be a feature request
> to MHonArc (https://www.mhonarc.org/) followed by getting the sourceware
> webmaster to upgrade to the newer mhonarc version so that all sourceware
> list archives (including cygwin) would benefit from that new feature.
> Again, not something that cygwin is directly responsible for, as long as
> MHonArc doesn't yet support it.

Sorry for leading you astray on the web page, and thank you for drawing my 
attention to the MHonArc converter software. Now, I don't know anything 
about this software, but looking at 
https://www.mhonarc.org/MHonArc/doc/resources/foluplitxt.html, it looks 
to me as though MHonArc already supports what I was suggesting with the 
$MSGLOCALDATE$ option. Sourceware is simply taking a default setting.

I think the change would be from the default:

<li><strong>$SUBJECT$</strong>
<ul><li><em>From:</em> $FROM$</li></ul></li>

to:

<li><strong>$SUBJECT$</strong>
<ul><li><em>From:</em> $FROM$, $MSGLOCALDATE$</li></ul></li>

Not saying that it's going to get done, but it doesn't appear to be quite 
the effort that you described.

--Ken Nellis

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Re: suggest adding posting dates to follows-up and references

[Eric Blake]

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On 02/22/2017 11:00 AM, Nellis, Kenneth (Conduent) wrote:
> Sorry for leading you astray on the web page, and thank you for drawing my 
> attention to the MHonArc converter software. Now, I don't know anything 
> about this software, but looking at 
> https://www.mhonarc.org/MHonArc/doc/resources/foluplitxt.html, it looks 
> to me as though MHonArc already supports what I was suggesting with the 
> $MSGLOCALDATE$ option. Sourceware is simply taking a default setting.
> 
> I think the change would be from the default:
> 
> <li><strong>$SUBJECT$</strong>
> <ul><li><em>From:</em> $FROM$</li></ul></li>
> 
> to:
> 
> <li><strong>$SUBJECT$</strong>
> <ul><li><em>From:</em> $FROM$, $MSGLOCALDATE$</li></ul></li>
> 
> Not saying that it's going to get done, but it doesn't appear to be quite 
> the effort that you described.

Still, you'll need to forward this request to webmaster AT sourceware
DOT org, as the cygwin list readers are not the same people as those in
charge of maintaining the web pages. (see
https://sourceware.org/lists.html for the full set of archives that will
be impacted by making such a change)

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RE: suggest adding posting dates to follows-up and references

[Nellis, Kenneth (Conduent)]

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> From: Eric Blake 
> Still, you'll need to forward this request to webmaster AT sourceware
> DOT org, as the cygwin list readers are not the same people as those in
> charge of maintaining the web pages. (see
> https://sourceware.org/lists.html for the full set of archives that will
> be impacted by making such a change)

Who am I that they would listen to me? The request would certainly have to 
come from someone with an existing relationship to them, like some person 
of authority within Cygwin. Again, this was all just a suggestion in case 
someone agrees and cares to run with it. I've made my suggestion and will
be happy to let this thread die.

--Ken Nellis
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Re: suggest adding posting dates to follows-up and references

[Andrew Schulman]

> > From: Eric Blake 
> > Still, you'll need to forward this request to webmaster AT sourceware
> > DOT org, as the cygwin list readers are not the same people as those in
> > charge of maintaining the web pages. (see
> > https://sourceware.org/lists.html for the full set of archives that will
> > be impacted by making such a change)
> 
> Who am I that they would listen to me? The request would certainly have to 
> come from someone with an existing relationship to them, like some person 
> of authority within Cygwin. Again, this was all just a suggestion in case 
> someone agrees and cares to run with it. I've made my suggestion and will
> be happy to let this thread die.

It's a reasonable suggestion, and there's no harm in politely asking for
it. You can include a link to this thread so they can see whether the
community wants the change.

Andrew


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Re: suggest adding posting dates to follows-up and references

[Erik Soderquist]

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Andrew Schulman wrote:
> It's a reasonable suggestion, and there's no harm in politely asking for
> it. You can include a link to this thread so they can see whether the
> community wants the change.

I'm in agreement, and if it needs a vote, count me in favor of adding
the date/time stamp to the archive display as suggested.

-- Erik

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Re: suggest adding posting dates to follows-up and references

[Brian Inglis]

On 2017-02-22 14:11, Erik Soderquist wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Andrew Schulman wrote:
>> It's a reasonable suggestion, and there's no harm in politely
>> asking for it. You can include a link to this thread so they can
>> see whether the community wants the change. 
> I'm in agreement, and if it needs a vote, count me in favor of
> adding the date/time stamp to the archive display as suggested.

Might want to qualify that to adding the date time stamp to the 
Thread Index headings, as I assume that is what you mean, although 
it is not stated anywhere, as the other indices and the articles 
have date time stamps.

Providing examples of other similar lists showing date time stamps 
might help.

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