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From: Takashi Yano <takashi.yano@nifty.ne.jp>
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: cygrunsrv + sshd + rsync = 20 times too slow -- throttled?
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 17:41:24 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210829174124.0c1ae6c16a3e8da1f490abc7@nifty.ne.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e8caa02f-be85-33bc-3f09-347c1cdb0923@cornell.edu>

Hi Ken,

On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 16:55:52 -0400
Ken Brown wrote:
> On 8/28/2021 11:43 AM, Takashi Yano via Cygwin wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 13:58:08 +0200
> > Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >> On Aug 28 18:41, Takashi Yano via Cygwin wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 10:43:27 +0200
> >>> Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >>>> On Aug 28 02:21, Takashi Yano via Cygwin wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 12:00:50 -0400
> >>>>> Ken Brown wrote:
> >>>>>> Two years ago I thought I needed nt_create to avoid problems when calling
> >>>>>> set_pipe_non_blocking.  Are you saying that's not an issue?  Is
> >>>>>> set_pipe_non_blocking unnecessary?  Is that the point of your modification to
> >>>>>> raw_read?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes. Instead of making windows read function itself non-blocking,
> >>>>> it is possible to check if the pipe can be read before read using
> >>>>> PeekNamedPipe(). If the pipe cannot be read right now, EAGAIN is
> >>>>> returned.
> >>>>
> >>>> The problem is this:
> >>>>
> >>>>    if (PeekNamedPipe())
> >>>>      ReadFile(blocking);
> >>>>
> >>>> is not atomic.  I. e., if PeekNamedPipe succeeds, nothing keeps another
> >>>> thread from draining the pipe between the PeekNamedPipe and the ReadFile
> >>>> call.  And as soon as ReadFile runs, it hangs indefinitely and we can't
> >>>> stop it via a signal.
> >>>
> >>> Hmm, you are right. Mutex guard seems to be necessary like pty code
> >>> if we go this way.
> >>>
> >>>> Is a blocking ReadFile actually faster than a non-blocking read?  Or
> >>>> does it mainly depend on BYTE vs. MESSAGE mode?
> >>>
> >>> Actually, I don't think so. Perhaps it is not essential problem of
> >>> overlapped I/O but something is wrong with current pipe code.
> >>>
> >>>> What if the pipe is created non-blocking and stays non-blocking all the
> >>>> time and uses BYTE mode all the time?  Just as sockets, it would always
> >>>> only emulate blocking mode.  Wouldn't that drop code size a lot and fix
> >>>> most problems?
> >>>
> >>> If 'non-blocking' means overlapped I/O, only the problem will be:
> >>> https://cygwin.com/pipermail/cygwin/2021-March/247987.html
> >>
> >> Sorry if that wasn't clear, but I was not talking about overlapped I/O,
> >> which we should get rid off, but of real non-blocking mode, which
> >> Windows pipes are fortunately capable of.
> > 
> > Do you mean, PIPE_NOWAIT flag? If this flags is specified in
> > the read pipe, non-cygwin apps cannot read the pipe correctly.
> 
> While waiting for Corinna's response to this, I have one more question.  Do you 
> understand why nt_create() failed and you had to revert to create()?  Was it an 
> access problem because nt_create requested FILE_WRITE_ATTRIBUTES?  Or did I make 
> some careless mistake in writing nt_create?

I am sorry but no. I don't understand why piping C# program via
the pipe created by nt_create() has the issue. I tried to change
setup parameters in nt_create(), however, I did not succeed it to
work. I also couldn't find any mistake in nt_create() so far.

Win32 programs which use ReadFile() and WriteFile() work even
with the pipe created by nt_create() as well as overlapped I/O.

What does C# program differ from legacy win32 program at all?

-- 
Takashi Yano <takashi.yano@nifty.ne.jp>

  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-29  8:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-24 19:49 Chris Roehrig
2021-08-24 23:43 ` Mark Geisert
2021-08-25  0:35   ` Chris Roehrig
2021-08-25  2:12     ` Chris Roehrig
2021-08-25  2:02 ` NightStrike
2021-08-25  3:20   ` Mark Geisert
2021-08-25 17:24     ` Chris Roehrig
2021-08-25 11:18 ` Takashi Yano
2021-08-25 17:31   ` Chris Roehrig
2021-08-25 17:52   ` Ken Brown
2021-08-25 18:18     ` Chris Roehrig
2021-08-25 18:51       ` Chris Roehrig
2021-08-26 15:44       ` Ken Brown
2021-08-25 20:33     ` Mario Emmenlauer
2021-08-26 15:47       ` Ken Brown
2021-08-25 21:29     ` Takashi Yano
2021-08-26 15:56       ` Ken Brown
2021-08-26 22:18         ` Ken Brown
2021-08-27 11:24           ` Takashi Yano
2021-08-27 16:00             ` Ken Brown
2021-08-27 17:21               ` Takashi Yano
2021-08-28  2:00                 ` Takashi Yano
2021-08-28  3:03                   ` Takashi Yano
2021-08-28  8:43                 ` Corinna Vinschen
2021-08-28  9:41                   ` Takashi Yano
2021-08-28 11:58                     ` Corinna Vinschen
2021-08-28 15:43                       ` Takashi Yano
2021-08-28 20:55                         ` Ken Brown
2021-08-29  8:41                           ` Takashi Yano [this message]
2021-08-29 22:42                             ` Ken Brown
2021-08-29 10:27                         ` Corinna Vinschen
2021-08-29  9:07                     ` Takashi Yano
2021-08-29 15:57                       ` Ken Brown
2021-08-29 19:24                         ` Chris Roehrig
2021-08-29 22:24                           ` Ken Brown
2021-08-30 23:58                             ` Chris Roehrig
2021-08-31 19:05                               ` Ken Brown
2021-08-31 19:53                                 ` Chris Roehrig
2021-08-31 20:23                                   ` Chris Roehrig
2021-08-31 21:29                                     ` Brian Inglis
2021-09-01 21:11                                     ` Chris Roehrig
2021-09-02 15:25                                       ` Ken Brown
2021-09-02 19:03                                         ` Chris Roehrig
2021-09-03 17:26                                           ` Ken Brown
2021-09-03 19:55                                           ` Corinna Vinschen
2021-09-03 20:59                                             ` Chris Roehrig
2021-09-04  8:32                                               ` Achim Gratz
2021-09-04 16:45                                               ` Brian Inglis
2021-09-05  8:18                                                 ` Achim Gratz
2021-09-05 15:11                                                   ` Brian Inglis
2021-09-06 10:42                                                     ` Achim Gratz
2021-09-04 22:37                                             ` mmap failure [was: cygrunsrv + sshd + rsync = 20 times too slow -- throttled?] Ken Brown
2021-09-04 22:54                                               ` Ken Brown
2021-09-04 22:58                                                 ` Ken Brown
2021-09-05  0:04                                                   ` Ken Brown
2021-09-05 13:24                                                     ` Ken Brown
2021-09-06 15:32                                                       ` Corinna Vinschen
2021-09-06 17:12                                                         ` Ken Brown
2021-09-06 17:38                                                           ` Ken Brown
2021-09-06 17:43                                                             ` Eliot Moss
2021-09-06 17:59                                                             ` Corinna Vinschen
2021-09-06 18:07                                                               ` Corinna Vinschen
2021-09-06 18:40                                                                 ` Ken Brown
2021-09-06 20:52                                                                   ` Peter Dons Tychsen
2021-09-06 20:54                                                                   ` Peter Dons Tychsen
2021-09-06 21:24                                                                     ` Ken Brown
2021-09-06 21:31                                                                       ` Ken Brown
2021-09-07  3:34                                                                       ` Brian Inglis
2021-09-07 16:28                                                                         ` Ken Brown
2021-09-07 21:52                                                                           ` Lavrentiev, Anton (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [C]
2021-09-07 22:44                                                                             ` Ken Brown
2021-09-08  6:14                                                                               ` Sam Edge
2021-09-08  8:18                                                                         ` Corinna Vinschen
2021-09-07 21:41                                                                       ` Peter Dons Tychsen
2021-09-04 23:18                                               ` Brian Inglis
2021-08-29 19:37                         ` cygrunsrv + sshd + rsync = 20 times too slow -- throttled? Takashi Yano
2021-08-29 21:09                           ` Ken Brown
2021-08-29 21:04                       ` Ken Brown
2021-08-30  0:13                         ` Takashi Yano
2021-08-30  0:22                           ` Takashi Yano
2021-08-30  2:15                             ` Ken Brown
2021-08-30  8:02                               ` Takashi Yano
2021-08-28 15:17                   ` Ken Brown
2021-09-16 22:00 ` Keith Christian
2021-09-16 22:48   ` Ken Brown
2021-09-16 22:58     ` Keith Christian

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