* CYGWIN 2.8 @ 2018-05-08 12:17 David Spencer 2018-05-08 13:04 ` Marco Atzeri 2018-05-09 8:30 ` Hans-Bernhard Bröker 0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: David Spencer @ 2018-05-08 12:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin Morning, I am trying to get CYGWIN Version 2.8, this is the only version approved for our system at present, is there a way I can Version 2.8 Thank You Randy Spencer Castalia Systems 4301 Wilson Blvd, Building 492 6th floor Cube: 649D Arlington, VA 22201 Phone: 412-567-4881 -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: CYGWIN 2.8 2018-05-08 12:17 CYGWIN 2.8 David Spencer @ 2018-05-08 13:04 ` Marco Atzeri 2018-05-14 17:05 ` Brian Inglis 2018-05-09 8:30 ` Hans-Bernhard Bröker 1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Marco Atzeri @ 2018-05-08 13:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin; +Cc: dspencer On 5/8/2018 1:22 PM, David Spencer wrote: > Morning, > > I am trying to get CYGWIN Version 2.8, this is the only version approved for our system at present, is there a way I can Version 2.8 > > Thank You > Randy Spencer Hi David/Randy, you should use the "Cygwin Time Machine Information" http://www.crouchingtigerhiddenfruitbat.org/Cygwin/timemachine.html -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: CYGWIN 2.8 2018-05-08 13:04 ` Marco Atzeri @ 2018-05-14 17:05 ` Brian Inglis 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Brian Inglis @ 2018-05-14 17:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 2018-05-08 06:13, Marco Atzeri wrote: > On 5/8/2018 1:22 PM, David Spencer wrote: >> I am trying to get CYGWIN Version 2.8, this is the only version approved for >> our system at present, is there a way I can Version 2.8 > you should use the "Cygwin Time Machine Information" > http://www.crouchingtigerhiddenfruitbat.org/Cygwin/timemachine.html You really need a date/time stamp to characterize Cygwin "releases". Which of the 3 Cygwin dll releases 2.8.0 thru 2.8.2, and 118 rolling package release sets from 2017-04 thru 2017-09 do you have from: http://ctm.crouchingtigerhiddenfruitbat.org/pub/cygwin/circa/64bit/index.html and which packages were picked from the 10,000 available in each release, as shown by running: $ grep '1$' /etc/setup/installed.db -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: CYGWIN 2.8 2018-05-08 12:17 CYGWIN 2.8 David Spencer 2018-05-08 13:04 ` Marco Atzeri @ 2018-05-09 8:30 ` Hans-Bernhard Bröker 2018-05-14 14:31 ` cyg Simple 1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Hans-Bernhard Bröker @ 2018-05-09 8:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin Am 08.05.2018 um 13:22 schrieb David Spencer: > Morning, > > I am trying to get CYGWIN Version 2.8, this is the only version approved for our system at present, Providing that is, to a great extent, actually the job of whoever approves versions of Cygwin for you. That's because the version number of cygwin itself barely begins to define an actual fixed configuration of the whole Cygwin environment you'll be installing: that's _one_ package whose version number has been nailed down, but _hundreds_ of others left totally floating. The only practical way of defining an installation of which it can even make sense to call it "approved" is to host a fixed mirror repository that's controlled by whoever does the approving, inside the organization that requires said approval. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: CYGWIN 2.8 2018-05-09 8:30 ` Hans-Bernhard Bröker @ 2018-05-14 14:31 ` cyg Simple 2018-05-14 19:30 ` Lee 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: cyg Simple @ 2018-05-14 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 5/8/2018 3:28 PM, Hans-Bernhard Bröker wrote: > Am 08.05.2018 um 13:22 schrieb David Spencer: >> Morning, >> >> I am trying to get CYGWIN Version 2.8, this is the only version >> approved for our system at present, So your company is stating it wants to use buggy and susceptible applications. I don't think so. Go back to the IT security team and state that 2.10 is the latest version of Cygwin and ask if it is okay. If not then ask them to provide you with a suitable version. > > Providing that is, to a great extent, actually the job of whoever > approves versions of Cygwin for you. > The company should provide a common mirror of approved applications. > That's because the version number of cygwin itself barely begins to > define an actual fixed configuration of the whole Cygwin environment > you'll be installing: that's _one_ package whose version number has been > nailed down, but _hundreds_ of others left totally floating. > The version number of the Cygwin DLL doesn't provide the versions of all of the components possible to use. A company approving a specific version of Cygwin DLL is clueless as to what Cygwin is. > The only practical way of defining an installation of which it can even > make sense to call it "approved" is to host a fixed mirror repository > that's controlled by whoever does the approving, inside the organization > that requires said approval. > Exactly! -- cyg Simple -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: CYGWIN 2.8 2018-05-14 14:31 ` cyg Simple @ 2018-05-14 19:30 ` Lee 2018-05-14 23:49 ` cyg Simple 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Lee @ 2018-05-14 19:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 5/14/18, cyg Simple wrote: > On 5/8/2018 3:28 PM, Hans-Bernhard Bröker wrote: >> Am 08.05.2018 um 13:22 schrieb David Spencer: >>> Morning, >>> >>> I am trying to get CYGWIN Version 2.8, this is the only version >>> approved for our system at present, > > So your company is stating it wants to use buggy and susceptible > applications. I don't think so. And I don't think you've ever experienced the joys of being a USG contractor :) Go back to the original post & look at their email address. I'm betting they're a contractor. > Go back to the IT security team and > state that 2.10 is the latest version of Cygwin and ask if it is okay. Which is assuming that whatever person on the IT security team you ask has the authority to override policy. Staff _follows_ policy, they don't make it. > If not then ask them to provide you with a suitable version. You seem to be under the impression that contractors are allowed to make waves and stay employed there. >> Providing that is, to a great extent, actually the job of whoever >> approves versions of Cygwin for you. I'd say it's the job of whoever came up with the policy of having an 'approved software' list in the first place to also come up with a policy of keeping the list current but whatever.. It'd be nice to think the situation has changed in the years since I was in the same position but apparently not. What worked for me was opening a support ticket with the group that keeps the approved software list and asking what it takes to get the current version of cygwin approved. There's forms to be filled out, procedures to be followed, and in a few weeks the current version of cygwin is on the approved list. Regards, Lee -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: CYGWIN 2.8 2018-05-14 19:30 ` Lee @ 2018-05-14 23:49 ` cyg Simple 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: cyg Simple @ 2018-05-14 23:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 5/14/2018 3:29 PM, Lee wrote: > On 5/14/18, cyg Simple wrote: >> On 5/8/2018 3:28 PM, Hans-Bernhard Bröker wrote: >>> Am 08.05.2018 um 13:22 schrieb David Spencer: >>>> Morning, >>>> >>>> I am trying to get CYGWIN Version 2.8, this is the only version >>>> approved for our system at present, >> >> So your company is stating it wants to use buggy and susceptible >> applications. I don't think so. > > And I don't think you've ever experienced the joys of being a USG contractor :) > Thank the heavens, I have not; however, I have been a contractor where the contracting firm places the same restrictions on it's employees but that doesn't matter. > Go back to the original post & look at their email address. I'm > betting they're a contractor. > So what! If you follow the correct policies and don't come off crass in your request to install software to get the work done then it shouldn't be too difficult. >> Go back to the IT security team and >> state that 2.10 is the latest version of Cygwin and ask if it is okay. > > Which is assuming that whatever person on the IT security team you ask > has the authority to override policy. Staff _follows_ policy, they > don't make it. > Yes, I should have worded it slightly better, you must follow the official process of getting the approved list updated. >> If not then ask them to provide you with a suitable version. > > You seem to be under the impression that contractors are allowed to > make waves and stay employed there. > I worked as a contractor for many years, now retired, and "made waves" successfully by being thorough in what I was stating with facts. If you prove that you know what you're talking about then people listen even to contractors. >>> Providing that is, to a great extent, actually the job of whoever >>> approves versions of Cygwin for you. > > I'd say it's the job of whoever came up with the policy of having an > 'approved software' list in the first place to also come up with a > policy of keeping the list current but whatever.. > Perhaps but I'm guessing the policy creator may no longer be around to improve the policy. It's now up to a department of people to make those changes. > > It'd be nice to think the situation has changed in the years since I > was in the same position but apparently not. What worked for me was > opening a support ticket with the group that keeps the approved > software list and asking what it takes to get the current version of > cygwin approved. > > There's forms to be filled out, procedures to be followed, and in a > few weeks the current version of cygwin is on the approved list. > Yes, exactly there are forms to be filled out but that doesn't mean those forms just be filled out and not followed up by other communication. -- cyg Simple -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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