Re: New Cygwin "setup" program useless on my Win-XP box. Not very nice at all.

Re: New Cygwin "setup" program useless on my Win-XP box. Not very nice at all.

[Fergus]

> WinXP is not supported. Complain as you wish, write as long a posts as you
were, it won't change.
> If you need old, outdated and unsupported OS, go into old, outdated and
unsupported Cygwin Time Machine.

Hang on, this is just a bit dismissive. Years ago the Cygwin nobility gave
us all loads of warning of the demise of v.1.5 (the last installation that
could be used on W95/98); they took fantastic trouble over supplying - and
deploying to mirrors - the last relevant sources under release-legacy/ with
an associated setup-legacy.ini AND an associated setup-legacy.exe to set the
whole thing up. And, finally, seven or more years on, this version is still
available: see, for example,
http://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/windows/cygwin/.

No such efforts with the last available XP version. Come on, the Time
Machine is really hard to navigate. It would have been really helpful to do
for XP exactly what was done for 95/98: petrify the last relevant sources
along with .ini and .exe, re-label conveniently and obviously, and upload to
mirrors.

Could this not still be done? Sure, continuing usage of XP carries its own
risks, but that's a quite different issue.

Fergus  


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Re: New Cygwin "setup" program useless on my Win-XP box. Not very nice at all.

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On 8 November 2016 at 07:37, Fergus <fergus@bonhard.uklinux.net> wrote:
>> WinXP is not supported. Complain as you wish, write as long a posts as you
> were, it won't change.
>> If you need old, outdated and unsupported OS, go into old, outdated and
> unsupported Cygwin Time Machine.
>
> Hang on, this is just a bit dismissive. Years ago the Cygwin nobility gave
> us all loads of warning of the demise of v.1.5 (the last installation that
> could be used on W95/98); they took fantastic trouble over supplying - and
> deploying to mirrors - the last relevant sources under release-legacy/ with
> an associated setup-legacy.ini AND an associated setup-legacy.exe to set the
> whole thing up. And, finally, seven or more years on, this version is still
> available: see, for example,
> http://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/windows/cygwin/.
>
> No such efforts with the last available XP version. Come on, the Time
> Machine is really hard to navigate. It would have been really helpful to do
> for XP exactly what was done for 95/98: petrify the last relevant sources
> along with .ini and .exe, re-label conveniently and obviously, and upload to
> mirrors.
>

The world has changed greatly since that time. Cygwin is no longer a
product with an income stream that can cover costs of admins,
developers and legwork. It is done by volunteers at Red Hat (Corinna
and Yaakov's jobs are now primarily linux kernel development and other
work). Yes it would be great if that work had been done and if someone
wants to help and do that work, it would be really helpful.

I am saying this as someone who made such suggestions and didn't do
the work to help them. Guilty as charged. I can see what I can do over
my Winter break but it will be a month or more before it happens.

> Could this not still be done? Sure, continuing usage of XP carries its own
> risks, but that's a quite different issue.
>
> Fergus
>
>
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Re: New Cygwin "setup" program useless on my Win-XP box. Not very nice at all.

[Ken Brown]

On 11/8/2016 7:37 AM, Fergus wrote:
> Come on, the Time
> Machine is really hard to navigate.

If all you want to do is update a Cygwin installation on XP, the instructions at

  http://www.fruitbat.org/Cygwin/timemachine.html#cygwintimemachine

boil down to this:

1. Use the following version of setup*.exe:

32-bit: ftp://www.fruitbat.org/pub/cygwin/setup/snapshots/setup-x86-2.874.exe
64-bit: ftp://www.fruitbat.org/pub/cygwin/setup/snapshots/setup-x86_64-2.874.exe

2. Run setup*.exe with the -X option, using the following mirror:

32-bit: ftp://www.fruitbat.org/pub/cygwin/circa/2016/08/30/104223
64-bit: ftp://www.fruitbat.org/pub/cygwin/circa/64bit/2016/08/30/104235

Ken

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Re: New Cygwin "setup" program useless on my Win-XP box. Not very nice at all.

[Fergus]

>> Cygwin installation on XP

>> 1. Use the following version of setup*.exe:
>> 32-bit:
ftp://www.fruitbat.org/pub/cygwin/setup/snapshots/setup-x86-2.874.exe

>> 2. Run setup*.exe with the -X option, using the following mirror:
>> 32-bit: ftp://www.fruitbat.org/pub/cygwin/circa/2016/08/30/104223

Thank you for this really helpful distillation. I followed the instructions
exactly, with the minor and probably unnecessary preparation of using
regedit to remove from the registry all mentions of Cygnus / Cygwin (because
I have occasionally found that previous installations - or, rather, usages -
of Cygwin interfere with the groundwork for new usages).
And everything worked - in principle, but not in practice.
After initiating setup I selected "Download without Installing", clicked on
the roundel to select "All" instead of "Default" in order to achieve a Full
download rather than the Base download, and away we went.
BUT (a) the download appeared to be very slow, which I attributed to
properties of fruitbat.org or even the download site ftp://.../104223 which
I guess is in some sense virtual (?); however (b) when I checked things this
morning having set the thing going last night, I found that in 6 hours only
2048-cli/, 2048-qt/ and the beginnings of 4ti2/ had been downloaded, i.e.
the merest starting fragment of what was anticipated.
So: the logic seems just fine, the implementation flawed in some way, or on
this occasion.
Q1	Any ideas of what might be de-railing this simple operation?
Q2	[... virtual(?);] Could one instead use wget on
ftp://www.fruitbat.org/pub/cygwin/circa/2016/08/30/104223? This would be
easy to initiate, it would avoid the layer of complication induced by setup
(and anyway I only want a download, not a setup) and finally - really
usefully, since the intention is to build a local mirror and then maybe do
something useful with it - it would pull down the *src files, which are a
pain in setup, requiring individual ticking of many many checkboxes. But: I
tried wget, and just came to a halt with no files found.
Thank you.
Fergus
 





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Re: New Cygwin "setup" program useless on my Win-XP box. Not very nice at all.

[Andrey Repin]

Greetings, Rus!

> Hi,
> I have cygwin utilities installed on an upgraded/enhanced Win-XP box.
WinXP is not supported. Complain as you wish, write as long a posts as you
were, it won't change.
If you need old, outdated and unsupported OS, go into old, outdated and
unsupported Cygwin Time Machine.


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Sorry for my terrible english...


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Re: New Cygwin "setup" program useless on my Win-XP box. Not very nice at all.

[Erik Soderquist]

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Rus wrote:
<snip>
> I understand that Cygwin 2.5.2 was the last version that actually worked
> with Windows-XP.
> I tried to run the setup-x86.exe program, and it just fails.  Quite
> unfortunate, as this
> will simply force me to abandon further usage of Cygwin.
<snip>
> Short of messing around with the "Cygwin Time Machine", is there a simple
> way to just
> download some of the 2.5.2 source and/or the executables? (I need bzip2.exe,
> for example,
> and I find I only had gzip.exe installed.  Arrrrgh.).


What "messing around" is there?  I downloaded the setup.exe provided
from the time machine and installed cygwin on a freshly loaded XP-SP3
host without issue...

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New Cygwin "setup" program useless on my Win-XP box. Not very nice at all.

[Rus]

Hi,
I have cygwin utilities installed on an upgraded/enhanced Win-XP box.
There are several reasons (too much to go into here), that I need to maintain
this new box, but run it with the original Win-XP/SP3 O/S.

It would be nice if I could access some of the Cygwin utilities that I do not have.
I have a nice, stable, reasonably modern version of several utilies (eg: ssh and scp),
and they all work flawlessly.  The Samba stuff also works well here, and allows
interconnection with a broad spectrum of various devices of various vintages. (All
are useful - Blackberry Playbooks, several versions of Android devices, iPads (several
versions), etc.

I understand that Cygwin 2.5.2 was the last version that actually worked with Windows-XP.
I tried to run the setup-x86.exe program, and it just fails.  Quite unfortunate, as this
will simply force me to abandon further usage of Cygwin.

Short of messing around with the "Cygwin Time Machine", is there a simple way to just
download some of the 2.5.2 source and/or the executables? (I need bzip2.exe, for example,
and I find I only had gzip.exe installed.  Arrrrgh.).

Typically, when new software versions are introduced, which crash compatability with
software versions which were previously installed in many areas, by many users, the
developers will maintain setup-methods or apt-get style repositories of older versions
of the code, so that users bound to early, popular platforms, can *easily* access
previous versions of useful utility software.

For example: The VideoLAN people make all their older versions of their VLC product for
iOS available at the URL: https://get.videolan.org/vlc-iOS/

This has proved to be very useful for iPad-1 owners, who were thrown under the bus by
Apple, which refuses to release any O/S software beyond iOS 5.1.1 for their gen-1 device,
nor allow previous VLC versions to be offered in the Apple iStore.  The VideoLAN folks
provide 2.1.3 of VLC - both source and .IPA file, so the original, compatible software
can be installed (if you "jailbreak" your iPAd), on the older device, so as to recover
the ability to play videos on that device.

Perhaps you might consider something similar for Cygwin?  Since the current Cygwin
"setup-x86.exe" does not work at all with Windows-XP, why not simply have A DIRECT LINK
TO THE 2.5.2 SETUP which does work?  No doubt, if you are using releases numbers, and
version control, you probably have a nice source-hive and binaries for 2.5.2.  Why not
make these availble to existing Cygwin users like myself, who would like to obtain a
working cygwin utility?  Isn't this the whole point of your project efforts?  Let the
Windows users have access to some sensible Unix/Linux utilities?  A bunch of people put
some serious time and effort in to making all this great unix/Linux stuff for Windows,
and a bunch of folks already have the needed .DLL's in their Win-32 library to run the
stuff.  At the very least, someone might consider offering a working pointer to whereever
the Cygwin 2.5.2 Windows-XP compliant source-and-binaries hive has been hidden.

- Mark Langdon,
   Waterloo, Canada.

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