running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Ulli Horlacher]

On Windows 7 32 bit I have compiled some binaries by myself.
I can run them there but not on a Windows 8 64 bit: no (error) message,
nothing happens.

admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: uname -a
CYGWIN_NT-6.3 WIN-7T5P92ALEEB 2.10.0(0.325/5/3) 2018-02-02 15:16 x86_64 Cygwin

admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ll jed
-rwxr-xr-x  admin    None     480,235 2018-04-10 11:58:59 jed

admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: file jed
jed: PE32 executable (console) Intel 80386, for MS Windows

admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ldd jed
        ntdll.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/SYSTEM32/ntdll.dll (0x7ffe0e520000)
        ??? => ??? (0x77330000)
        wow64.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/SYSTEM32/wow64.dll (0x772d0000)
        wow64win.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/system32/wow64win.dll (0x77260000)
        wow64cpu.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/system32/wow64cpu.dll (0x77320000)
        
admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ./jed
admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: 


Do I have to install some 32 bit libs? Which ones?

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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Markus Hoenicka]

On 2018-06-06 13:50, Ulli Horlacher was heard to say:
> On Windows 7 32 bit I have compiled some binaries by myself.
> I can run them there but not on a Windows 8 64 bit: no (error) message,
> nothing happens.
> 
> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: uname -a
> CYGWIN_NT-6.3 WIN-7T5P92ALEEB 2.10.0(0.325/5/3) 2018-02-02 15:16 x86_64 
> Cygwin
> 
> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ll jed
> -rwxr-xr-x  admin    None     480,235 2018-04-10 11:58:59 jed
> 
> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: file jed
> jed: PE32 executable (console) Intel 80386, for MS Windows
> 
> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ldd jed
>         ntdll.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/SYSTEM32/ntdll.dll 
> (0x7ffe0e520000)
>         ??? => ??? (0x77330000)
>         wow64.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/SYSTEM32/wow64.dll 
> (0x772d0000)
>         wow64win.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/system32/wow64win.dll 
> (0x77260000)
>         wow64cpu.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/system32/wow64cpu.dll 
> (0x77320000)
> 
> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ./jed
> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin:
> 
> 
> Do I have to install some 32 bit libs? Which ones?

Why don't you just recompile th binaries on 64bit Cygwin? You seem to 
have the sources, so then...

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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Andrey Repin]

Greetings, Ulli Horlacher!

> On Windows 7 32 bit I have compiled some binaries by myself.
> I can run them there but not on a Windows 8 64 bit: no (error) message,
> nothing happens.

> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: uname -a
> CYGWIN_NT-6.3 WIN-7T5P92ALEEB 2.10.0(0.325/5/3) 2018-02-02 15:16 x86_64 Cygwin

> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ll jed
> -rwxr-xr-x  admin    None     480,235 2018-04-10 11:58:59 jed

> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: file jed
> jed: PE32 executable (console) Intel 80386, for MS Windows

> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ldd jed
>         ntdll.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/SYSTEM32/ntdll.dll (0x7ffe0e520000)
>         ??? => ??? (0x77330000)
>         wow64.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/SYSTEM32/wow64.dll (0x772d0000)
>         wow64win.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/system32/wow64win.dll (0x77260000)
>         wow64cpu.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/system32/wow64cpu.dll (0x77320000)
>         
> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ./jed
> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: 


> Do I have to install some 32 bit libs?

Of course. Did you read the documentation or what?

> Which ones?

cygwin1.dll at least.
Plus whatever API's your application is using.


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RE: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Soegtrop, Michael]

Dear Ulli,

for MinGW (your ldd dump didn't include Cygwin dlls, so I assume you are doing MinGW builds) I would recommend to compile 32 bit binaries using a 32 bit Cygwin (which can be installed on 64 bit machines).

The reason is that the Windows file system has some hacks. Some DLLs are available as 32 bit and 64 bit versions under the same file name and path, and which version you get depends on if a 32 bit or 64 bit process accesses them. For this reason a linker which is a 64 bit process and tries to link 32 bit bianries gets the 64 bit versions of system DLLs. So in order to link 32 bit apps you need a linker which runs as a 32 bit process and for this you need a 32 bit Cygwin.

The only other option (I know of) is to copy the required version of the required DLLs using a 32 bit or 64 bit copy program somewhere and tell the linker where to find them.

Best regards,

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RE: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Soegtrop, Michael]

Dear Ulli,

sorry, I just saw that you did compile on a 32 bit Windows, so you had a 32 bit Cygwin - strange. What I can tell is that compiling a 32 bit app on a 32 bit Cygwin on a 64 bit Windows works and that such an app runs fine on 32 bit and 64 bit Windows. I test this regularly. I can't comment on how to compile something on a 32 bit Windows, I didn't do this in a while.

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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Ulli Horlacher]

On Wed 2018-06-06 (19:02), Andrey Repin wrote:

> > On Windows 7 32 bit I have compiled some binaries by myself.
> > I can run them there but not on a Windows 8 64 bit: no (error) message,
> > nothing happens.
> 
> 
> > Do I have to install some 32 bit libs?
> 
> Of course. Did you read the documentation or what?

Which documentation, where?


> > Which ones?
> 
> cygwin1.dll at least.

In which package is this cygwin1.dll?


> Plus whatever API's your application is using.

Is there a command which tells which API/libs are used?


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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Andrey Repin]

Greetings, Soegtrop, Michael!

> Dear Ulli,

> for MinGW (your ldd dump didn't include Cygwin dlls, so I assume you are
> doing MinGW builds)

It did not include cygwin1.dll because he ran ldd on a system, where that
library was missing. May be you are right and he compiled it using
cross-compiler.

> I would recommend to compile 32 bit binaries using a 32
> bit Cygwin (which can be installed on 64 bit machines).


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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Andrey Repin]

Greetings, Ulli Horlacher!

> On Wed 2018-06-06 (19:02), Andrey Repin wrote:

>> > On Windows 7 32 bit I have compiled some binaries by myself.
>> > I can run them there but not on a Windows 8 64 bit: no (error) message,
>> > nothing happens.
>> 
>> 
>> > Do I have to install some 32 bit libs?
>> 
>> Of course. Did you read the documentation or what?

> Which documentation, where?

Mind reading the mailing list signature once in a while?
https://cygwin.com/docs.html

>> > Which ones?
>> 
>> cygwin1.dll at least.

> In which package is this cygwin1.dll?

In your /bin directory.

>> Plus whatever API's your application is using.

> Is there a command which tells which API/libs are used?

ldd or cygcheck


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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[cyg Simple]

On 6/6/2018 7:50 AM, Ulli Horlacher wrote:
> 
> On Windows 7 32 bit I have compiled some binaries by myself.

Help us help you by giving us how you compiled these and with what set
of tools.

> I can run them there but not on a Windows 8 64 bit: no (error) message,
> nothing happens.
> 

In what shell are you running these (Cygwin bash, cmd.exe, etc)?
What happens if you use cmd.exe?

> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: uname -a
> CYGWIN_NT-6.3 WIN-7T5P92ALEEB 2.10.0(0.325/5/3) 2018-02-02 15:16 x86_64 Cygwin
> 
> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ll jed
> -rwxr-xr-x  admin    None     480,235 2018-04-10 11:58:59 jed
> 
> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: file jed
> jed: PE32 executable (console) Intel 80386, for MS Windows
> 
> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ldd jed
>         ntdll.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/SYSTEM32/ntdll.dll (0x7ffe0e520000)
>         ??? => ??? (0x77330000)
>         wow64.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/SYSTEM32/wow64.dll (0x772d0000)
>         wow64win.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/system32/wow64win.dll (0x77260000)
>         wow64cpu.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/system32/wow64cpu.dll (0x77320000)
>         

No mention of Cygwin in this list so you must have used a non-cygwin
tool to build the package.

> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ./jed

Try:
cmd /c start cmd

In the new command window:
jed

> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: 
> 
> 
> Do I have to install some 32 bit libs? Which ones?
> 

We don't know yet, you might try using GDB to capture the error but
until we have more we can't help further.

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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[cyg Simple]

On 6/6/2018 1:49 PM, Andrey Repin wrote:
> Greetings, Soegtrop, Michael!
> 
>> Dear Ulli,
> 
>> for MinGW (your ldd dump didn't include Cygwin dlls, so I assume you are
>> doing MinGW builds)
> 
> It did not include cygwin1.dll because he ran ldd on a system, where that
> library was missing. May be you are right and he compiled it using
> cross-compiler.
> 

Andrey, as I read the mail Ulli sent he showed that he was using Cygwin
so why wouldn't cygwin1.dll be shown if the app required it?  I often
run non-cygwin apps in Cygwin and if there is a problem the pipes just
don't get flushed correctly to display the data.  To overcome this I
start a cmd.exe window from my Cygwin shell, this leaves the environment
set for the cmd.exe process.  I then run the problem app and find the
issue easily.

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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Andrey Repin]

Greetings, cyg Simple!

>>> for MinGW (your ldd dump didn't include Cygwin dlls, so I assume you are
>>> doing MinGW builds)
>> 
>> It did not include cygwin1.dll because he ran ldd on a system, where that
>> library was missing. May be you are right and he compiled it using
>> cross-compiler.
>> 

> Andrey, as I read the mail Ulli sent he showed that he was using Cygwin
> so why wouldn't cygwin1.dll be shown if the app required it?

Then I'm at a loss to explain the behavior. If he ran ldd on the same system
he had built it (and where it is running properly), then there's environmental
conditions involved.
May be the explanation of build procedure drop some light.


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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Ulli Horlacher]

On Wed 2018-06-06 (20:49), Andrey Repin wrote:
> Greetings, Soegtrop, Michael!
> 
> > Dear Ulli,
> 
> > for MinGW (your ldd dump didn't include Cygwin dlls, so I assume you are
> > doing MinGW builds)
> 
> It did not include cygwin1.dll because he ran ldd on a system, where that
> library was missing. May be you are right and he compiled it using
> cross-compiler.

I have compiled the application with gcc from cygwin.
It runs without problems on Windows 7 32 bit but on Windows 8 64 bit it
does not output ANYTHING. No (error) message, nothing.

How can I debug it?


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RE: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Soegtrop, Michael]

Dear Uli,

in case you are not comfortable using gdb, Sysinternals ProcMon (can be downloaded for free from Microsoft) will give you information about what happens during process startup.

Best regards,

Michael
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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Ulli Horlacher]

On Thu 2018-06-07 (01:04), Andrey Repin wrote:

> Then I'm at a loss to explain the behavior. If he ran ldd on the same system
> he had built it (and where it is running properly), then there's environmental
> conditions involved.

Windows 7 32 bit build system:

/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: uname -a
CYGWIN_NT-6.1-WOW windoof 2.10.0(0.325/5/3) 2018-02-02 15:21 i686 Cygwin

/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ldd jed
        ntdll.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/SysWOW64/ntdll.dll (0x76fb0000)
        kernel32.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/syswow64/kernel32.dll (0x74af0000)
        KERNELBASE.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/syswow64/KERNELBASE.dll (0x75860000)
        cygslang-2.dll => /sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin/cygslang-2.dll (0x65400000)
        cygwin1.dll => /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll (0x61000000)
        cyggcc_s-1.dll => /usr/bin/cyggcc_s-1.dll (0x6f900000)

Transfered to Windows 8 32 bit:

/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: uname -a
CYGWIN_NT-6.3 W8-64 2.10.0(0.325/5/3) 2018-02-02 15:16 x86_64 Cygwin

/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ldd jed
        ntdll.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/SYSTEM32/ntdll.dll (0x7ff880fa0000)
        ??? => ??? (0x77320000)
        wow64.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/SYSTEM32/wow64.dll (0x772d0000)
        wow64win.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/system32/wow64win.dll (0x77260000)
        wow64cpu.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/system32/wow64cpu.dll (0x77250000)

/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ll /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll
-rwxr-xr-x  admin    None     3,195,569 2018-02-02 15:18:49 /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll


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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[cyg Simple]

On 6/8/2018 9:19 AM, Ulli Horlacher wrote:

> 
> I have compiled the application with gcc from cygwin.
> It runs without problems on Windows 7 32 bit but on Windows 8 64 bit it
> does not output ANYTHING. No (error) message, nothing.
> 

You CANNOT move a 32bit Cygwin application to a 64bit Cygwin
environment!  It will not work.

> How can I debug it?
> 

You can't! You need a 32bit Cygwin environment to run a 32bit application.

The other option is to rebuild from source on the 64bit Cygwin.

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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[cyg Simple]

On 6/8/2018 9:30 AM, Ulli Horlacher wrote:
> On Thu 2018-06-07 (01:04), Andrey Repin wrote:
> 
>> Then I'm at a loss to explain the behavior. If he ran ldd on the same system
>> he had built it (and where it is running properly), then there's environmental
>> conditions involved.
> 
> Windows 7 32 bit build system:
> 
> /sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: uname -a
> CYGWIN_NT-6.1-WOW windoof 2.10.0(0.325/5/3) 2018-02-02 15:21 i686 Cygwin
> 
> /sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ldd jed
>         ntdll.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/SysWOW64/ntdll.dll (0x76fb0000)
>         kernel32.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/syswow64/kernel32.dll (0x74af0000)
>         KERNELBASE.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/syswow64/KERNELBASE.dll (0x75860000)
>         cygslang-2.dll => /sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin/cygslang-2.dll (0x65400000)
>         cygwin1.dll => /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll (0x61000000)
>         cyggcc_s-1.dll => /usr/bin/cyggcc_s-1.dll (0x6f900000)
> 
> Transfered to Windows 8 32 bit:
> 
> /sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: uname -a
> CYGWIN_NT-6.3 W8-64 2.10.0(0.325/5/3) 2018-02-02 15:16 x86_64 Cygwin
> 
---------------------------------------------------------^^^^^^
THIS isn't 32bit Cygwin.

You cannot run a 32bit Cygwin application under 64bit Cygwin.

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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Ulli Horlacher]

On Wed 2018-06-06 (16:12), cyg Simple wrote:

> > On Windows 7 32 bit I have compiled some binaries by myself.
> 
> Help us help you by giving us how you compiled these and with what set
> of tools.

jed comes with a BIG makefile.
When I start it, it outputs:

/sw/src/jed-0.99.20-116: make
cd src; make jed
make[1]: Entering directory '/sw/src/jed-0.99.20-116/src'
gcc -O -I/sw/cygwin-7_32/slang-2.3.1-88/include -L/sw/cygwin-7_32/slang-2.3.1-88/lib   -DSLANG_DLL=1 -Dunix -DJED  -I/sw/cygwin-7_32/slang-2.3.1-88/include  /sw/src/jed-0.99.20-116/src/chkslang.c -o /sw/src/jed-0.99.20-116/src/objs/chkslang   -L/sw/cygwin-7_32/slang-2.3.1-88/lib -lslang    -lutil  -lm -ldl
if /sw/src/jed-0.99.20-116/src/objs/chkslang jed 20203 ;\
then exit 0; else rm -f /sw/src/jed-0.99.20-116/src/objs/chkslang; exit 1; fi
cd /sw/src/jed-0.99.20-116/src/objs; gcc -c -O -I/sw/cygwin-7_32/slang-2.3.1-88/include -L/sw/cygwin-7_32/slang-2.3.1-88/lib   -DSLANG_DLL=1 -Dunix -DJED  -I/sw/cygwin-7_32/slang-2.3.1-88/include  /sw/src/jed-0.99.20-116/src/buffer.c
(...)


> > I can run them there but not on a Windows 8 64 bit: no (error) message,
> > nothing happens.
> > 
> 
> In what shell are you running these (Cygwin bash, cmd.exe, etc)?

Cygwin bash


> What happens if you use cmd.exe?

Currently I cannot run cmd.exe, it crashes.
Maybe there is the problem?


> > admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: uname -a
> > CYGWIN_NT-6.3 WIN-7T5P92ALEEB 2.10.0(0.325/5/3) 2018-02-02 15:16 x86_64 Cygwin
> > 
> > admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ll jed
> > -rwxr-xr-x  admin    None     480,235 2018-04-10 11:58:59 jed
> > 
> > admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: file jed
> > jed: PE32 executable (console) Intel 80386, for MS Windows
> > 
> > admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ldd jed
> >         ntdll.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/SYSTEM32/ntdll.dll (0x7ffe0e520000)
> >         ??? => ??? (0x77330000)
> >         wow64.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/SYSTEM32/wow64.dll (0x772d0000)
> >         wow64win.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/system32/wow64win.dll (0x77260000)
> >         wow64cpu.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/system32/wow64cpu.dll (0x77320000)
> >         
> 
> No mention of Cygwin in this list so you must have used a non-cygwin
> tool to build the package.

No, I have used cygwin gcc, I have no other compilers!


> Try:
> cmd /c start cmd

A windows pops up and immediatelly closes.



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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Ulli Horlacher]

On Fri 2018-06-08 (15:30), Ulli Horlacher wrote:

> Transfered to Windows 8 32 bit:

Sorry, typo! It is Windows 8 64 bit!


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RE: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Soegtrop, Michael]

Dear Ulli,

are you sure you want a cygwin build? I thought you are doing a MinGW build (since Cygwin1.ddl was missing from ldd).

There are 3 possible ways:

1.) Do a MinGW cross compile in case you don't need any Cygwin infrastructure (bash, ...) or fully posix compliant C environment

2.) Do a Cygwin build and copy cygwin1.dll and possibly others with the executable in case you don't need a bash, but a posix compliant C environment. Depending on what DLLs you need, this might not work (some need some environment to run).

3.) Do a Cygwin build and install a matching cygwin on the destination machine in case you need not just a posix compliant C environment, but also a bash or other Unix tools

Best regards,

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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Ulli Horlacher]

On Fri 2018-06-08 (09:37), cyg Simple wrote:
> On 6/8/2018 9:30 AM, Ulli Horlacher wrote:
> 
>                       [-- TOFU entsorgt --]
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------^^^^^^
> THIS isn't 32bit Cygwin.
> 
> You cannot run a 32bit Cygwin application under 64bit Cygwin.

This WAS my initial question!

There is no way to run a 32 bit cygwin binary ob a 64 bit Windows system?
On Linux it is no problem,


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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Ulli Horlacher]

On Fri 2018-06-08 (13:43), Soegtrop, Michael wrote:

> are you sure you want a cygwin build? I thought you are doing a MinGW
> build (since Cygwin1.ddl was missing from ldd).

What is MinGW?


> 1.) Do a MinGW cross compile in case you don't need any Cygwin
> infrastructure (bash, ...) or fully posix compliant C environment

I need bash and posix environment!


> 2.) Do a Cygwin build and copy cygwin1.dll

I already have a /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll on the Windows 8 target system.
Do I have to replace it?


> 3.) Do a Cygwin build and install a matching cygwin on the destination
> machine in case you need not just a posix compliant C environment, but
> also a bash or other Unix tools

This is what I first did:
Transfered the 32 bit cygwin with my self compiled binaries to the 64 bit
Windows 8. But then I was not able to use perl, I got a MOT of these errors:

         0 [main] perl 4232 child_info_fork::abort: address space needed
   by 'Encode.dll' (0x370000) is already occupied
   Can't fork, trying again in 5 seconds at /client/bin/fexsend line 106.
         1 [main] perl 7720 child_info_fork::abort: address space needed
   by 'Encode.dll' (0x370000) is already occupied
   Can't fork, trying again in 5 seconds at /client/bin/fexsend line 106.
         1 [main] perl 5484 child_info_fork::abort: address space needed
   by 'Encode.dll' (0x370000) is already occupied
   Can't fork, trying again in 5 seconds at /client/bin/fexsend line 106.

See my mail:

From: Ulli Horlacher <framstag@rus.uni-stuttgart.de>
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: Perl child_info_fork runtime error
Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 12:57:09 +0200

These error are gone after I replaced the 32 bit cygwin with a 64 bit
cygwin installation.


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RE: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Soegtrop, Michael]

Dear Ulli,

> There is no way to run a 32 bit cygwin binary ob a 64 bit Windows system?

You can easily install 32 bit Cygwin on 64 bit Windows (as I mentioned before).

Best regards,

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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Ulli Horlacher]

On Fri 2018-06-08 (09:34), cyg Simple wrote:
> On 6/8/2018 9:19 AM, Ulli Horlacher wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I have compiled the application with gcc from cygwin.
> > It runs without problems on Windows 7 32 bit but on Windows 8 64 bit it
> > does not output ANYTHING. No (error) message, nothing.
> > 
> 
> You CANNOT move a 32bit Cygwin application to a 64bit Cygwin
> environment!  It will not work.
> 
> > How can I debug it?
> > 
> 
> You can't! You need a 32bit Cygwin environment to run a 32bit application.
> 
> The other option is to rebuild from source on the 64bit Cygwin.

Ok, thanks for this illuminative answer! :-)


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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[cyg Simple]

Keep the responses on list please.

On 6/8/2018 9:45 AM, Ulli Horlacher wrote:
> On Fri 2018-06-08 (09:37), cyg Simple wrote:
>> On 6/8/2018 9:30 AM, Ulli Horlacher wrote:
>>
>>                       [-- TOFU entsorgt --]
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------^^^^^^
>> THIS isn't 32bit Cygwin.
>>
>> You cannot run a 32bit Cygwin application under 64bit Cygwin.
> 
> This WAS my initial question!
> 
> There is no way to run a 32 bit cygwin binary ob a 64 bit Windows system?
> On Linux it is no problem,
> 

You can only install a 32bit Cygwin on a 64bit Windows to execute a
32bit Cygwin application.  You can execute 32bit Windows binaries on
Windows 64bit as well.  With Cygwin it is more difficult to segregate
the appropriate libraries and the recommendation is to use two different
environments if you need to still execute the 32bit software.  But the
better solution is to build it again.

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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Andrey Repin]

Greetings, Ulli Horlacher!

>> 2.) Do a Cygwin build and copy cygwin1.dll

> I already have a /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll on the Windows 8 target system.

It's a wrong architecture. You need a 32-bit one for your 32-bit program.

> Do I have to replace it?

No.
Just build a 64-bit version of your program.

>> 3.) Do a Cygwin build and install a matching cygwin on the destination
>> machine in case you need not just a posix compliant C environment, but
>> also a bash or other Unix tools

> This is what I first did:
> Transfered the 32 bit cygwin with my self compiled binaries

You have to install Cygwin, not "transfer".


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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Andrey Repin]

Greetings, Ulli Horlacher!

>> ---------------------------------------------------------^^^^^^
>> THIS isn't 32bit Cygwin.
>> 
>> You cannot run a 32bit Cygwin application under 64bit Cygwin.

> This WAS my initial question!

> There is no way to run a 32 bit cygwin binary ob a 64 bit Windows system?

Cygwin is NOT Windows. Neither it is Linux, per se.

> On Linux it is no problem,

Ignorance is rarely an excuse, if ever.
As I said previously, you have to transfer the cygwin1.dll of appropriate
architecture to the host where you intend to run your application.
Same for Linux.


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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Brian Inglis]

On 2018-06-08 07:42, Ulli Horlacher wrote:
> On Wed 2018-06-06 (16:12), cyg Simple wrote:
>>> On Windows 7 32 bit I have compiled some binaries by myself.
>> Help us help you by giving us how you compiled these and with what set
>> of tools.
> jed comes with a BIG makefile.
> When I start it, it outputs:
> /sw/src/jed-0.99.20-116: make
> cd src; make jed
> make[1]: Entering directory '/sw/src/jed-0.99.20-116/src'
> gcc -O -I/sw/cygwin-7_32/slang-2.3.1-88/include -L/sw/cygwin-7_32/slang-2.3.1-88/lib   -DSLANG_DLL=1 -Dunix -DJED  -I/sw/cygwin-7_32/slang-2.3.1-88/include  /sw/src/jed-0.99.20-116/src/chkslang.c -o /sw/src/jed-0.99.20-116/src/objs/chkslang   -L/sw/cygwin-7_32/slang-2.3.1-88/lib -lslang    -lutil  -lm -ldl
> if /sw/src/jed-0.99.20-116/src/objs/chkslang jed 20203 ;\
> then exit 0; else rm -f /sw/src/jed-0.99.20-116/src/objs/chkslang; exit 1; fi
> cd /sw/src/jed-0.99.20-116/src/objs; gcc -c -O -I/sw/cygwin-7_32/slang-2.3.1-88/include -L/sw/cygwin-7_32/slang-2.3.1-88/lib   -DSLANG_DLL=1 -Dunix -DJED  -I/sw/cygwin-7_32/slang-2.3.1-88/include  /sw/src/jed-0.99.20-116/src/buffer.c
>>> I can run them there but not on a Windows 8 64 bit: no (error) message,
>>> nothing happens.
>> In what shell are you running these (Cygwin bash, cmd.exe, etc)?
> Cygwin bash
>> What happens if you use cmd.exe?
> Currently I cannot run cmd.exe, it crashes.
> Maybe there is the problem?
>>> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: uname -a
>>> CYGWIN_NT-6.3 WIN-7T5P92ALEEB 2.10.0(0.325/5/3) 2018-02-02 15:16 x86_64 Cygwin
>>> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ll jed
>>> -rwxr-xr-x  admin    None     480,235 2018-04-10 11:58:59 jed
>>> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: file jed
>>> jed: PE32 executable (console) Intel 80386, for MS Windows
>>> admin@WIN-7T5P92ALEEB:/sw/cygwin-7_32/jed-0.99-20_116/bin: ldd jed
>>>         ntdll.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/SYSTEM32/ntdll.dll (0x7ffe0e520000)
>>>         ??? => ??? (0x77330000)
>>>         wow64.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/SYSTEM32/wow64.dll (0x772d0000)
>>>         wow64win.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/system32/wow64win.dll (0x77260000)
>>>         wow64cpu.dll => /cygdrive/c/Windows/system32/wow64cpu.dll (0x77320000)
>> No mention of Cygwin in this list so you must have used a non-cygwin
>> tool to build the package.
> No, I have used cygwin gcc, I have no other compilers!
>> Try:
>> cmd /c start cmd
> A windows pops up and immediatelly closes.

Use whatever Windows shortcuts are provided to launch cmd; try as user and as
admin to see if there are differences; or from a Cygwin shell run:

	$ cygstart `cygpath $COMSPEC` /k

as /k keeps the window around so you can see any (error) messages.


To run Cygwin 32 under Windows 64, you have to download and run setup-x86 to set
up the Cygwin 32 registry entries and base environment.

If you add .../cygwin32/bin to your user PATH (after .../cygwin64/bin if you
have that installed) you can then run Cygwin 32 exes from Cygwin 64 or Windows
64 shells.

As stated, this is not recommended, but a number of us probably ran that way for
years, as Cygwin 64 initially lacked a lot of packages available only on Cygwin
32. For a few years now, packages to be released must be built and made
available for both Cygwin 32 and 64 environments.

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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Csaba Raduly]

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 3:45 PM, Ulli Horlacher  wrote:
>
> There is no way to run a 32 bit cygwin binary on a 64 bit Windows system?

There is, but you need a 32-bit Cygwin for that (which can be
installed on 64-bit windows).

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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Achim Gratz]

Ulli Horlacher writes:
> I have compiled the application with gcc from cygwin.

You've compiled with the native compiler on a 32bit Cygwin, producing a
32bit Cygwin executable.

> It runs without problems on Windows 7 32 bit but on Windows 8 64 bit it
> does not output ANYTHING. No (error) message, nothing.

You will either need to compile natively as a 64bit Cygwin executable,
cross-compile to 64bit Cygwin, or target another cross-compiler at
Windows 64bit or 32bit executables as you deem appropriate.  In all
cases any required runtime DLL need to be provided in the correct format
as well.

> How can I debug it?

There is nothing to debug, this is simply not supposed to work.  Before
you ask, it doesn't work on Windows either (with 32bit Windows
applications) unless the WoW64 subsystem is installed (it _almost_
always is, except in Core and Nano) nor would it work on Linux unless
the 32bit loaders and libraries are installed.


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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Ulli Horlacher]

On Fri 2018-06-08 (19:41), Andrey Repin wrote:

> >> 2.) Do a Cygwin build and copy cygwin1.dll
> 
> > I already have a /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll on the Windows 8 target system.
> 
> It's a wrong architecture. You need a 32-bit one for your 32-bit program.
> 
> > Do I have to replace it?
> 
> No.
> Just build a 64-bit version of your program.

SIGH. I was hoping a 32 bit cygwin with 32 bit self compiled programs will
run on 64 bit Windows, too. But I was wrong.
Meanwhile I have 4 VMs:
Windows 32 bit with 32 bit cygwin
Windows 32 bit with 32 bit cygwin for compiling
Windows 64 bit with 64 bit cygwin
Windows 64 bit with 64 bit cygwin for compiling


> > This is what I first did:
> > Transfered the 32 bit cygwin with my self compiled binaries
> 
> You have to install Cygwin, not "transfer".

I have several 100 users, none of them is able to install cygwin and
the packages they need the official way, they are way to *CENSORED* for
this job :-} 
I give them my preconfigured cygwin.zip (or cygwin64.zip) and tell them to
unpack it in C:\

http://fex.belwue.de/usecases/cygwin.html

(This is what I call "transfer cygwin")

This works so far without problems.


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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Andrey Repin]

Greetings, Ulli Horlacher!

> On Fri 2018-06-08 (19:41), Andrey Repin wrote:

>> >> 2.) Do a Cygwin build and copy cygwin1.dll
>> 
>> > I already have a /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll on the Windows 8 target system.
>> 
>> It's a wrong architecture. You need a 32-bit one for your 32-bit program.
>> 
>> > Do I have to replace it?
>> 
>> No.
>> Just build a 64-bit version of your program.

> SIGH. I was hoping a 32 bit cygwin with 32 bit self compiled programs will
> run on 64 bit Windows, too. But I was wrong.
> Meanwhile I have 4 VMs:
> Windows 32 bit with 32 bit cygwin
> Windows 32 bit with 32 bit cygwin for compiling
> Windows 64 bit with 64 bit cygwin
> Windows 64 bit with 64 bit cygwin for compiling

You can install both 32 and 64-bit Cygwin on the same machine.
So you don't really need 4, while I see how having a build system separate is
a good idea.

>> > This is what I first did:
>> > Transfered the 32 bit cygwin with my self compiled binaries
>> 
>> You have to install Cygwin, not "transfer".

> I have several 100 users, none of them is able to install cygwin

*You* have to do it.
Cygwin offers tools to automate process.

> and the packages they need the official way, they are way to *CENSORED* for
> this job :-} 
> I give them my preconfigured cygwin.zip (or cygwin64.zip) and tell them to
> unpack it in C:\

> http://fex.belwue.de/usecases/cygwin.html

> (This is what I call "transfer cygwin")

> This works so far without problems.

Only by accident and promise.


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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Brian Inglis]

On 2018-07-08 20:18, Andrey Repin wrote:
>> On Fri 2018-06-08 (19:41), Andrey Repin wrote:
>>>>> 2.) Do a Cygwin build and copy cygwin1.dll

>>>> I already have a /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll on the Windows 8 target system.

>>> It's a wrong architecture. You need a 32-bit one for your 32-bit program.

>>>> Do I have to replace it?

>>> No.
>>> Just build a 64-bit version of your program.

>> SIGH. I was hoping a 32 bit cygwin with 32 bit self compiled programs will
>> run on 64 bit Windows, too. But I was wrong.

He just means that you must provide matching Cygwin DLLs and exes which are
either all built as x86 (32 bit), or all as x86_64. Cygwin x86 programs will run
on Windows x64 or x86 desktops as they support x86 programs.
From Windows Server 2008 R2, all *servers* are x64 only, and x86 support is an
optional installable feature on *servers*, except it is still required for AD
support, which MS has still not rewritten for x64.

>> Meanwhile I have 4 VMs:
>> Windows 32 bit with 32 bit cygwin
>> Windows 32 bit with 32 bit cygwin for compiling
>> Windows 64 bit with 64 bit cygwin
>> Windows 64 bit with 64 bit cygwin for compiling

> You can install both 32 and 64-bit Cygwin on the same machine.
> So you don't really need 4, while I see how having a build system separate is
> a good idea.

>>>> This is what I first did:
>>>> Transfered the 32 bit cygwin with my self compiled binaries

>>> You have to install Cygwin, not "transfer".

>> I have several 100 users, none of them is able to install cygwin

> *You* have to do it.
> Cygwin offers tools to automate process.

More explanation would be helpful.
He could setup a package download structure, including setup-x86[_64].exe and
setup.ini, zip that for transfer, unzip that in a known location, then run the
included setup in unattended mode with fixed arguments, to setup the Cygwin
environment, install the base and other packages.
Have you other suggestions?

>> and the packages they need the official way, they are way to *CENSORED* for
>> this job :-} 
>> I give them my preconfigured cygwin.zip (or cygwin64.zip) and tell them to
>> unpack it in C:\
>> http://fex.belwue.de/usecases/cygwin.html
>> (This is what I call "transfer cygwin")
>> This works so far without problems.

> Only by accident and promise.

More explanation would be helpful.
What problems do you see with his process?

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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Ulli Horlacher]

On Mon 2018-07-09 (05:18), Andrey Repin wrote:

> > SIGH. I was hoping a 32 bit cygwin with 32 bit self compiled programs will
> > run on 64 bit Windows, too. But I was wrong.
> > Meanwhile I have 4 VMs:
> > Windows 32 bit with 32 bit cygwin
> > Windows 32 bit with 32 bit cygwin for compiling
> > Windows 64 bit with 64 bit cygwin
> > Windows 64 bit with 64 bit cygwin for compiling
> 
> You can install both 32 and 64-bit Cygwin on the same machine.
> So you don't really need 4, while I see how having a build system separate is
> a good idea.

But I also need a test VM to check whether my self compiled programs will
run on an other system.


> > I have several 100 users, none of them is able to install cygwin
> 
> *You* have to do it.

No, I cannot do that. I do not have access to their PCs.


> > I give them my preconfigured cygwin.zip (or cygwin64.zip) and tell them to
> > unpack it in C:\
> 
> > http://fex.belwue.de/usecases/cygwin.html
> 
> > This works so far without problems.
> 
> Only by accident and promise.

This is sufficent for me :-)

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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Achim Gratz]

Ulli Horlacher writes:
>> You have to install Cygwin, not "transfer".
>
> I have several 100 users, none of them is able to install cygwin and
> the packages they need the official way, they are way to *CENSORED* for
> this job :-}

If they can follow your current instructions, they can surely start some
script that does this correctly?

> I give them my preconfigured cygwin.zip (or cygwin64.zip) and tell them to
> unpack it in C:\
>
> http://fex.belwue.de/usecases/cygwin.html
>
> (This is what I call "transfer cygwin")

Whatever you call it, it's still cludgey nonsense that might or might
not work.  Only when it's not working your users will really be unable
to figure out what to do since they won't even know what is failing.

Again, to provide your tools properly for Cygwin, create a Cygwin
package, set up a package repository that provides it and then start a
script that calls setup to install it and any other packages you need
(if not already installed by way of dependency).  Setup can deal with
multiple package repositories, so you can use one of the official
mirrors as the primary package repository and only provide your package
as an add-on repository (like cygwin ports does).


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distributing preconfigured cygwin (was: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?)

[Ulli Horlacher]

On Sat 2018-07-14 (16:31), Achim Gratz wrote:

> >> You have to install Cygwin, not "transfer".
> >
> > I have several 100 users, none of them is able to install cygwin and
> > the packages they need the official way, they are way to *CENSORED* for
> > this job :-}
> 
> If they can follow your current instructions, they can surely start some
> script that does this correctly?

I do not have a script which installs all needed packages.


> > I give them my preconfigured cygwin.zip (or cygwin64.zip) and tell them to
> > unpack it in C:\
> >
> > http://fex.belwue.de/usecases/cygwin.html
> 
> Whatever you call it, it's still cludgey nonsense that might or might
> not work.  Only when it's not working your users will really be unable
> to figure out what to do since they won't even know what is failing.

So far, it has worked for all my users. No one is complaining.


> script that calls setup to install it and any other packages you need
> (if not already installed by way of dependency).  Setup can deal with
> multiple package repositories, so you can use one of the official
> mirrors as the primary package repository and only provide your package
> as an add-on repository (like cygwin ports does).

How do I write such a script?
Is there documentation/examples about this?

This install script must first download the cygwin base package, install
it and then run setup with all needed cygwin packages.
But at the very beginning, I do not have a shell at all?

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Re: distributing preconfigured cygwin

[john doe]

On 8/17/2018 11:41 AM, Ulli Horlacher wrote:
> On Sat 2018-07-14 (16:31), Achim Gratz wrote:
> 
>>>> You have to install Cygwin, not "transfer".
>>>
>>> I have several 100 users, none of them is able to install cygwin and
>>> the packages they need the official way, they are way to *CENSORED* for
>>> this job :-}
>>
>> If they can follow your current instructions, they can surely start some
>> script that does this correctly?
> 
> I do not have a script which installs all needed packages.
> 
> 
>>> I give them my preconfigured cygwin.zip (or cygwin64.zip) and tell them to
>>> unpack it in C:\
>>>
>>> http://fex.belwue.de/usecases/cygwin.html
>>
>> Whatever you call it, it's still cludgey nonsense that might or might
>> not work.  Only when it's not working your users will really be unable
>> to figure out what to do since they won't even know what is failing.
> 
> So far, it has worked for all my users. No one is complaining.
> 
> 
>> script that calls setup to install it and any other packages you need
>> (if not already installed by way of dependency).  Setup can deal with
>> multiple package repositories, so you can use one of the official
>> mirrors as the primary package repository and only provide your package
>> as an add-on repository (like cygwin ports does).
> 
> How do I write such a script?
> Is there documentation/examples about this?
> 
> This install script must first download the cygwin base package, install
> it and then run setup with all needed cygwin packages.
> But at the very beginning, I do not have a shell at all?
> 

Basically, you create a batch script that would execute a powershell script.
The powershell script will handle the download of the setup file, 
installation of cygwin, installation of extra packages, detect 32/64bit 
architecture...

The batch script is easier for the user to execute and you can also run 
the powershell script as administrator, if needed.

 From a CLI pass  the '-h, --help' option to the setup file to get all 
available options.

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Re: distributing preconfigured cygwin (was: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?)

[Andrey Repin]

Greetings, Ulli Horlacher!

> On Sat 2018-07-14 (16:31), Achim Gratz wrote:

>> >> You have to install Cygwin, not "transfer".
>> >
>> > I have several 100 users, none of them is able to install cygwin and
>> > the packages they need the official way, they are way to *CENSORED* for
>> > this job :-}
>> 
>> If they can follow your current instructions, they can surely start some
>> script that does this correctly?

> I do not have a script which installs all needed packages.

Write one.

>> > I give them my preconfigured cygwin.zip (or cygwin64.zip) and tell them to
>> > unpack it in C:\
>> >
>> > http://fex.belwue.de/usecases/cygwin.html
>> 
>> Whatever you call it, it's still cludgey nonsense that might or might
>> not work.  Only when it's not working your users will really be unable
>> to figure out what to do since they won't even know what is failing.

> So far, it has worked for all my users. No one is complaining.

"No one is complaining" does not equal "it all works correctly".
Trust a person who had spent 20 years in IT support on this simple knowledge.
If nobody had complained, that means, either
1. They have qualification to resolve any arising issues by themselves,
2. They do not trust you enough and seeking help elsewhere,
3. They just trudge with it, ignoring any sign of problem and assuming that it
just does the right stuff no matter what.

>> script that calls setup to install it and any other packages you need
>> (if not already installed by way of dependency).  Setup can deal with
>> multiple package repositories, so you can use one of the official
>> mirrors as the primary package repository and only provide your package
>> as an add-on repository (like cygwin ports does).

> How do I write such a script?
> Is there documentation/examples about this?

setup.exe --help

> This install script must first download the cygwin base package, install
> it and then run setup with all needed cygwin packages.
> But at the very beginning, I do not have a shell at all?

You can package Cygwin's setup.exe into a scripted installer, and maintain a
private repository mirror, if you need a stable set of packages.


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Re: distributing preconfigured cygwin

[Achim Gratz]

Ulli Horlacher writes:
>> If they can follow your current instructions, they can surely start some
>> script that does this correctly?
>
> I do not have a script which installs all needed packages.

So write one.

> This install script must first download the cygwin base package, install
> it and then run setup with all needed cygwin packages.

You might want to have at least look at the help output from setup if
not even read the documentation: setup can do that all in one go.

> But at the very beginning, I do not have a shell at all?

Use either CMD or PowerShell as appropriate.


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Re: distributing preconfigured cygwin

[Ulli Horlacher]

On Fri 2018-08-17 (20:28), Achim Gratz wrote:

> > This install script must first download the cygwin base package, install
> > it and then run setup with all needed cygwin packages.
> > But at the very beginning, I do not have a shell at all?
> 
> Use either CMD or PowerShell as appropriate.

I do not know PowerShell. It looks very complicated to me.
How do I download a file with CMD?
Is there something like wget in a plain Windows 7?
The problem is the bootstrapping...

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Re: distributing preconfigured cygwin

[Andrey Repin]

Greetings, Ulli Horlacher!

>> > This install script must first download the cygwin base package, install
>> > it and then run setup with all needed cygwin packages.
>> > But at the very beginning, I do not have a shell at all?
>> 
>> Use either CMD or PowerShell as appropriate.

> I do not know PowerShell. It looks very complicated to me.

A 2-line copypaste for a PS1 script to D/L a file is not all that complicated,
unless you specifically looking for excuses to leave your broken ways broken
forever.

> How do I download a file with CMD?
> Is there something like wget in a plain Windows 7?
> The problem is the bootstrapping...

Somebody has been banned on google?
https://superuser.com/questions/25538/how-to-download-files-from-command-line-in-windows-like-wget-or-curl


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Re: distributing preconfigured cygwin

[john doe]

On 8/29/2018 11:13 AM, Ulli Horlacher wrote:
> On Fri 2018-08-17 (20:28), Achim Gratz wrote:
> 
>>> This install script must first download the cygwin base package, install
>>> it and then run setup with all needed cygwin packages.
>>> But at the very beginning, I do not have a shell at all?
>>
>> Use either CMD or PowerShell as appropriate.
> 
> I do not know PowerShell. It looks very complicated to me.
> 

You could also use the language you speak, that language interpreter 
would need to be package as well though.

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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Ulli Horlacher]

On Sat 2018-07-14 (16:31), Achim Gratz wrote:

> > I have several 100 users, none of them is able to install cygwin and
> > the packages they need the official way, they are way to *CENSORED* for
> > this job :-}
> 
> If they can follow your current instructions, they can surely start some
> script that does this correctly?

This script would run setup-x86_64.exe which asks a lot of questions
(mirror site, proxy, installation directory, etc) in the first run.
This will overcharge my users!

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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Marco Atzeri]

Am 30.08.2018 um 08:40 schrieb Ulli Horlacher:
> On Sat 2018-07-14 (16:31), Achim Gratz wrote:
>
>>> I have several 100 users, none of them is able to install cygwin and
>>> the packages they need the official way, they are way to *CENSORED* for
>>> this job :-}
>>
>> If they can follow your current instructions, they can surely start some
>> script that does this correctly?
>
> This script would run setup-x86_64.exe which asks a lot of questions
> (mirror site, proxy, installation directory, etc) in the first run.
> This will overcharge my users!
>

You can put the defaults in the script. Something like

setup-x86_64.exe -s
http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/sourceware.org/pub/cygwin/ -R
d:\cygwin64 -n --local-package-dir d:\download\cygwin_cache -P <your
comma separated package list>

see for details
$ ./setup-x86_64.exe --help

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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Andrey Repin]

Greetings, Ulli Horlacher!

> On Sat 2018-07-14 (16:31), Achim Gratz wrote:

>> > I have several 100 users, none of them is able to install cygwin and
>> > the packages they need the official way, they are way to *CENSORED* for
>> > this job :-}
>> 
>> If they can follow your current instructions, they can surely start some
>> script that does this correctly?

> This script would run setup-x86_64.exe which asks a lot of questions
> (mirror site, proxy, installation directory, etc) in the first run.

You're still looking for excuses, instead of solutions.

> This will overcharge my users!

setup --help


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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Ulli Horlacher]

On Thu 2018-08-30 (11:43), Andrey Repin wrote:

> > This script would run setup-x86_64.exe which asks a lot of questions
> > (mirror site, proxy, installation directory, etc) in the first run.
> > This will overcharge my users!
> 
> setup --help

There is no command line option for "Choose A Download Site"


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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Ulli Horlacher]

On Thu 2018-08-30 (15:55), Ulli Horlacher wrote:
> On Thu 2018-08-30 (11:43), Andrey Repin wrote:
> 
> > > This script would run setup-x86_64.exe which asks a lot of questions
> > > (mirror site, proxy, installation directory, etc) in the first run.
> > > This will overcharge my users!
> > 
> > setup --help
> 
> There is no command line option for "Choose A Download Site"

ARGH, I have overlooked

 -s --site                         Download site URL
 
Sorry!


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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Achim Gratz]

Ulli Horlacher writes:
> This script would run setup-x86_64.exe which asks a lot of questions
> (mirror site, proxy, installation directory, etc) in the first run.
> This will overcharge my users!

Well, after all the hints you've already got, how about you actually
look at what setup.exe does when you give it some options to work with?
ONce you've figured that out you can decide whether you'll want to
provide your own repo for setup to install Cygwin and your software from
or if you instruct setup to use two repos.  Once it's working to your
liking, package up the resulting command line in a batch script and tell
your users to download both that script and setup.exe (or give them an
archive with both or figure out a PowerShell incantation to do the
downloads).


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Re: running self compiled 32 bit binary on 64 bit Windows?

[Andrey Repin]

Greetings, Ulli Horlacher!

> On Thu 2018-08-30 (15:55), Ulli Horlacher wrote:
>> On Thu 2018-08-30 (11:43), Andrey Repin wrote:
>> 
>> > > This script would run setup-x86_64.exe which asks a lot of questions
>> > > (mirror site, proxy, installation directory, etc) in the first run.
>> > > This will overcharge my users!
>> > 
>> > setup --help
>> 
>> There is no command line option for "Choose A Download Site"

> ARGH, I have overlooked

>  -s --site                         Download site URL
>  
> Sorry!

It took less than 3 months...


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With best regards,
Andrey Repin
Friday, August 31, 2018 0:56:30

Sorry for my terrible english...


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