Mailing list subscription problems

Mailing list subscription problems

[Kyle Marek]

(CC'd the public mailing list for visibility of problems that may be 
affecting others)

Hello,

Today I received an email from cygwin-bounces@cygwin.com with the 
subject line of "You have been unsubscribed from the Cygwin mailing 
list". I also just noticed that my Cygwin directory doesn't have any 
emails since the email identified by the following headers:

Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 00:42:07 -0800
Message-ID: <uTYFejifn-dsEe8GqEkFJQ@notifications.google.com>
Subject: You have been added to Newcommercial08
From: Newcommercial08 <newcommercial08+noreply@googlegroups.com>
To: cygwin@cygwin.com

I'm pretty sure the from address is so bounces are returned to an 
address that monitors for bounces. I am guessing that Google has been 
bouncing emails from the Cygwin mailing servers, and mailman 
automatically unsubscribed me after 25 days of not being able to deliver 
a single email to me. However, I am still receiving emails from mailman 
itself.

I re-subscribed, logged into the mailman web interface, and confirming 
that I am re-subscribed as of 02:47 UTC. I can see on the online archive 
that the mailing list has received emails since then, but I am still not 
receiving them. Note that they are NOT being sent to my spam directory.

So... Are the mailing list emails being bounced by Google?

Thank you,
Kyle Marek

Re: Mailing list subscription problems

[David Standish]

On 12/19/22, Kyle Marek via Cygwin <cygwin@cygwin.com> wrote:
> (CC'd the public mailing list for visibility of problems that may be
> affecting others)
>
> Hello,
>
> Today I received an email from cygwin-bounces@cygwin.com with the
> subject line of "You have been unsubscribed from the Cygwin mailing
> list". I also just noticed that my Cygwin directory doesn't have any
> emails since the email identified by the following headers:
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 00:42:07 -0800
> Message-ID: <uTYFejifn-dsEe8GqEkFJQ@notifications.google.com>
> Subject: You have been added to Newcommercial08
> From: Newcommercial08 <newcommercial08+noreply@googlegroups.com>
> To: cygwin@cygwin.com
>
> I'm pretty sure the from address is so bounces are returned to an
> address that monitors for bounces. I am guessing that Google has been
> bouncing emails from the Cygwin mailing servers, and mailman
> automatically unsubscribed me after 25 days of not being able to deliver
> a single email to me. However, I am still receiving emails from mailman
> itself.
>
> I re-subscribed, logged into the mailman web interface, and confirming
> that I am re-subscribed as of 02:47 UTC. I can see on the online archive
> that the mailing list has received emails since then, but I am still not
> receiving them. Note that they are NOT being sent to my spam directory.
>
> So... Are the mailing list emails being bounced by Google?
>
> Thank you,
> Kyle Marek
>
> --
> Problem reports:      https://cygwin.com/problems.html
> FAQ:                  https://cygwin.com/faq/
> Documentation:        https://cygwin.com/docs.html
> Unsubscribe info:     https://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
>

I've experienced the same problem.  I reactivated my subscription a
couple times.

More cygwin mail has been getting through to me that last few days.
Hopefully google has relaxed their filtering,

David

Re: Mailing list subscription problems

[William Deegan]

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ditto!

On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 9:51 AM David Standish via Cygwin <cygwin@cygwin.com>
wrote:

> On 12/19/22, Kyle Marek via Cygwin <cygwin@cygwin.com> wrote:
> > (CC'd the public mailing list for visibility of problems that may be
> > affecting others)
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Today I received an email from cygwin-bounces@cygwin.com with the
> > subject line of "You have been unsubscribed from the Cygwin mailing
> > list". I also just noticed that my Cygwin directory doesn't have any
> > emails since the email identified by the following headers:
> >
> > Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 00:42:07 -0800
> > Message-ID: <uTYFejifn-dsEe8GqEkFJQ@notifications.google.com>
> > Subject: You have been added to Newcommercial08
> > From: Newcommercial08 <newcommercial08+noreply@googlegroups.com>
> > To: cygwin@cygwin.com
> >
> > I'm pretty sure the from address is so bounces are returned to an
> > address that monitors for bounces. I am guessing that Google has been
> > bouncing emails from the Cygwin mailing servers, and mailman
> > automatically unsubscribed me after 25 days of not being able to deliver
> > a single email to me. However, I am still receiving emails from mailman
> > itself.
> >
> > I re-subscribed, logged into the mailman web interface, and confirming
> > that I am re-subscribed as of 02:47 UTC. I can see on the online archive
> > that the mailing list has received emails since then, but I am still not
> > receiving them. Note that they are NOT being sent to my spam directory.
> >
> > So... Are the mailing list emails being bounced by Google?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Kyle Marek
> >
> > --
> > Problem reports:      https://cygwin.com/problems.html
> > FAQ:                  https://cygwin.com/faq/
> > Documentation:        https://cygwin.com/docs.html
> > Unsubscribe info:     https://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
> >
>
> I've experienced the same problem.  I reactivated my subscription a
> couple times.
>
> More cygwin mail has been getting through to me that last few days.
> Hopefully google has relaxed their filtering,
>
> David
>
> --
> Problem reports:      https://cygwin.com/problems.html
> FAQ:                  https://cygwin.com/faq/
> Documentation:        https://cygwin.com/docs.html
> Unsubscribe info:     https://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
>

Re: Mailing list subscription problems

[Csaba Raduly]

<aol>Me too!</aol>

On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 at 20:27, William Deegan via Cygwin
<cygwin@cygwin.com> wrote:
>
> ditto!
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 9:51 AM David Standish via Cygwin <cygwin@cygwin.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 12/19/22, Kyle Marek via Cygwin <cygwin@cygwin.com> wrote:
> > > (CC'd the public mailing list for visibility of problems that may be
> > > affecting others)
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Today I received an email from cygwin-bounces@cygwin.com with the
> > > subject line of "You have been unsubscribed from the Cygwin mailing
> > > list". I also just noticed that my Cygwin directory doesn't have any
> > > emails since the email identified by the following headers:
> > >
> > > Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 00:42:07 -0800
> > > Message-ID: <uTYFejifn-dsEe8GqEkFJQ@notifications.google.com>
> > > Subject: You have been added to Newcommercial08
> > > From: Newcommercial08 <newcommercial08+noreply@googlegroups.com>
> > > To: cygwin@cygwin.com
> > >
> > > I'm pretty sure the from address is so bounces are returned to an
> > > address that monitors for bounces. I am guessing that Google has been
> > > bouncing emails from the Cygwin mailing servers, and mailman
> > > automatically unsubscribed me after 25 days of not being able to deliver
> > > a single email to me. However, I am still receiving emails from mailman
> > > itself.
> > >
> > > I re-subscribed, logged into the mailman web interface, and confirming
> > > that I am re-subscribed as of 02:47 UTC. I can see on the online archive
> > > that the mailing list has received emails since then, but I am still not
> > > receiving them. Note that they are NOT being sent to my spam directory.
> > >
> > > So... Are the mailing list emails being bounced by Google?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Kyle Marek
> > >
> > > --
> > > Problem reports:      https://cygwin.com/problems.html
> > > FAQ:                  https://cygwin.com/faq/
> > > Documentation:        https://cygwin.com/docs.html
> > > Unsubscribe info:     https://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
> > >
> >
> > I've experienced the same problem.  I reactivated my subscription a
> > couple times.
> >
> > More cygwin mail has been getting through to me that last few days.
> > Hopefully google has relaxed their filtering,
> >
> > David
> >
> > --
> > Problem reports:      https://cygwin.com/problems.html
> > FAQ:                  https://cygwin.com/faq/
> > Documentation:        https://cygwin.com/docs.html
> > Unsubscribe info:     https://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
> >
>
> --
> Problem reports:      https://cygwin.com/problems.html
> FAQ:                  https://cygwin.com/faq/
> Documentation:        https://cygwin.com/docs.html
> Unsubscribe info:     https://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple

(sorry :)
Csaba
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Re: Mailing list subscription problems

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Dec 19 12:50, David Standish via Cygwin wrote:
> On 12/19/22, Kyle Marek via Cygwin <cygwin@cygwin.com> wrote:
> > (CC'd the public mailing list for visibility of problems that may be
> > affecting others)
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Today I received an email from cygwin-bounces@cygwin.com with the
> > subject line of "You have been unsubscribed from the Cygwin mailing
> > list". I also just noticed that my Cygwin directory doesn't have any
> > emails since the email identified by the following headers:
> > [...]
> 
> I've experienced the same problem.  I reactivated my subscription a
> couple times.
> 
> More cygwin mail has been getting through to me that last few days.
> Hopefully google has relaxed their filtering,

Actually, Google hasn't relaxed their filtering, rather the DNS record
of the cygwin.com domain was the culprit.  It didn't have the required
(by Google) DKIM/SFP records.  This has been rectified last week,
fortunately, so this shouldn't happen again.  I re-enabled mail for
all accounts having been disabled due to bounces.


HTH,
Corinna

Re: Mailing list subscription problems

[Kyle Marek]

On 12/19/22 2:42 PM, Corinna Vinschen via Cygwin wrote:
> On Dec 19 12:50, David Standish via Cygwin wrote:
>> On 12/19/22, Kyle Marek via Cygwin <cygwin@cygwin.com> wrote:
>>> (CC'd the public mailing list for visibility of problems that may be
>>> affecting others)
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Today I received an email from cygwin-bounces@cygwin.com with the
>>> subject line of "You have been unsubscribed from the Cygwin mailing
>>> list". I also just noticed that my Cygwin directory doesn't have any
>>> emails since the email identified by the following headers:
>>> [...]
>> I've experienced the same problem.  I reactivated my subscription a
>> couple times.
>>
>> More cygwin mail has been getting through to me that last few days.
>> Hopefully google has relaxed their filtering,
> Actually, Google hasn't relaxed their filtering, rather the DNS record
> of the cygwin.com domain was the culprit.  It didn't have the required
> (by Google) DKIM/SFP records.  This has been rectified last week,
> fortunately, so this shouldn't happen again.  I re-enabled mail for
> all accounts having been disabled due to bounces.

Looks like I am receiving mail again!

Thank you,
Kyle Marek

Re: Mailing list subscription problems

[Jim Garrison]

On 12/19/22 11:42, Corinna Vinschen via Cygwin wrote:
>> 
> Actually, Google hasn't relaxed their filtering, rather the DNS record
> of the cygwin.com domain was the culprit.  It didn't have the required
> (by Google) DKIM/SFP records.  This has been rectified last week,
> fortunately, so this shouldn't happen again.  I re-enabled mail for
> all accounts having been disabled due to bounces.

Off-topic but I can't resist :-)  The real irony here is that
while Google has draconian anti-SPAM filtering for _incoming_
mail, they are now one of the leading senders of SPAM, and
emails to their abuse address bounce.  Sigh!

(I'll shut up now)

-- 
Jim Garrison
jhg@acm.org