can't run cygwin emacs or XWin Server

can't run cygwin emacs or XWin Server

[mike]

I run 32 bit cygwin on a 64 bit machine running Windows 7.

I used to get an XWin Server terminal running bash at startup (logging 
into Windows) from which I could run the emacs packaged in cygwin.  
After a round of updates I don't get the terminal window at startup and 
if I try to manually launch it it fails to launch and AFAICT if I try to 
run emacs from a command prompt I get the native version of emacs that I 
also have installed and not the cygwin one.  The shortcut for XWin Server is

    C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe /usr/bin/bash.exe -l -c /usr/bin/startxwin.exe

This seems to me to be the "phantom /usr/bin issue" mentioned at 
www.postgresql.org/message-id/blngoc%24nrr%241%40sea.gmane.org because I 
get the same behaviour described there and in related posts.  I have 
verified that "/usr/bin" and "/bin" are the same as far as ls is 
concerned.  The relevant part of the path as shown in System Properties 
 > Advanced > Environment Variables is "C:\cygwin\usr\bin;C:\cygwin\bin" 
which precedes 
"C:\Users\Mike\Downloads\emacs-25.1-2-i686-w64-mingw32\bin" in the path 
which is what ends up running.

However if I run the MS shell in emacs or use command prompt then "which 
ls", "which bash", "which emacs", "which printenv", "which startxwin" 
and "which which" all come back with "/usr/bin/..." so those are 
recognised by which at least.

I hope I'm just missing the obvious.  Thanks for any help

Merry Christmas
Mike

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Re: can't run cygwin emacs or XWin Server

[Marco Atzeri]

On 25/12/2016 13:55, mike wrote:
> I run 32 bit cygwin on a 64 bit machine running Windows 7.
>
> I used to get an XWin Server terminal running bash at startup (logging
> into Windows) from which I could run the emacs packaged in cygwin.
> After a round of updates I don't get the terminal window at startup and
> if I try to manually launch it it fails to launch and AFAICT if I try to
> run emacs from a command prompt I get the native version of emacs that I
> also have installed and not the cygwin one.  The shortcut for XWin
> Server is
>
>    C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe /usr/bin/bash.exe -l -c /usr/bin/startxwin.exe

Question:
Is the Xserver running and you just don't have the Xterm automatically run ?
If yes, the behavior is the current default.


If no, and the Xserver does not run at all, please follow

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and provide as attachment the cygcheck.out.

> Merry Christmas
> Mike
>

Buon Natale
Marco

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Re: can't run cygwin emacs or XWin Server

[mike]

On 25/12/2016 15:13, Marco Atzeri wrote:
> On 25/12/2016 13:55, mike wrote:
>> I run 32 bit cygwin on a 64 bit machine running Windows 7.
>>
>> I used to get an XWin Server terminal running bash at startup (logging
>> into Windows) from which I could run the emacs packaged in cygwin.
>> After a round of updates I don't get the terminal window at startup and
>> if I try to manually launch it it fails to launch and AFAICT if I try to
>> run emacs from a command prompt I get the native version of emacs that I
>> also have installed and not the cygwin one.  The shortcut for XWin
>> Server is
>>
>>    C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe /usr/bin/bash.exe -l -c /usr/bin/startxwin.exe
>
> Question:
> Is the Xserver running and you just don't have the Xterm automatically 
> run ?
> If yes, the behavior is the current default.
>
>
> If no, and the Xserver does not run at all, please follow
Okay but what am I looking for?  Is it an application, a process, a 
service or a "task" (in Windows terms)?  What name am I looking for?  
I've tried the Task Manager, MSCONFIG and Display Running Tasks but 
nothing obvious jumps out at me.  According to cygcheck -c I have 
packages xorg-cf-files, xorg-docs, xorg-scripts, xorg-server, 
xorg-server-dmx, xorg-sgml-doctools, xorg-util-macros and 
xorg-x11-bin-dlls installed and up to date.  I also have emacs, 
emacs-el, emacs-ocaml and emacs-X11 and bash, bash-completion and bashdb 
installed and up to date.

You also mentioned the default behaviour.  What would that be?  Can you 
point me to something that I can read to learn about the default 
behaviour please?

Thanks in advance
>
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> and provide as attachment the cygcheck.out.
>
>> Merry Christmas
>> Mike
>>
>
> Buon Natale
> Marco
>
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Re: can't run cygwin emacs or XWin Server

[Ken Brown]

On 12/25/2016 5:59 PM, mike wrote:
> On 25/12/2016 15:13, Marco Atzeri wrote:
>> On 25/12/2016 13:55, mike wrote:
>>> I run 32 bit cygwin on a 64 bit machine running Windows 7.
>>>
>>> I used to get an XWin Server terminal running bash at startup (logging
>>> into Windows) from which I could run the emacs packaged in cygwin.
>>> After a round of updates I don't get the terminal window at startup and
>>> if I try to manually launch it it fails to launch and AFAICT if I try to
>>> run emacs from a command prompt I get the native version of emacs that I
>>> also have installed and not the cygwin one.  The shortcut for XWin
>>> Server is
>>>
>>>    C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe /usr/bin/bash.exe -l -c /usr/bin/startxwin.exe

startxwin.exe doesn't exist any more.  It's been replaced by a script 
/usr/bin/startxwin.  And, as Marco said, it doesn't start an xterm 
automatically any more.  See

   https://sourceware.org/ml/cygwin-announce/2015-07/msg00013.html

Ken

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Re: can't run cygwin emacs or XWin Server

[mike]

On 25/12/2016 23:49, Ken Brown wrote:
> On 12/25/2016 5:59 PM, mike wrote:
>> On 25/12/2016 15:13, Marco Atzeri wrote:
>>> On 25/12/2016 13:55, mike wrote:
>>>> I run 32 bit cygwin on a 64 bit machine running Windows 7.
>>>>
>>>> I used to get an XWin Server terminal running bash at startup (logging
>>>> into Windows) from which I could run the emacs packaged in cygwin.
>>>> After a round of updates I don't get the terminal window at startup 
>>>> and
>>>> if I try to manually launch it it fails to launch and AFAICT if I 
>>>> try to
>>>> run emacs from a command prompt I get the native version of emacs 
>>>> that I
>>>> also have installed and not the cygwin one.  The shortcut for XWin
>>>> Server is
>>>>
>>>>    C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe /usr/bin/bash.exe -l -c 
>>>> /usr/bin/startxwin.exe
>
> startxwin.exe doesn't exist any more.  It's been replaced by a script 
> /usr/bin/startxwin.  And, as Marco said, it doesn't start an xterm 
> automatically any more.  See
>
>   https://sourceware.org/ml/cygwin-announce/2015-07/msg00013.html
That is very useful.  Thank you.  I will check it out and report back.
>
> Ken
Mike
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Re: can't run cygwin emacs or XWin Server

[mike]

On 25/12/2016 23:49, Ken Brown wrote:
> On 12/25/2016 5:59 PM, mike wrote:
>> On 25/12/2016 15:13, Marco Atzeri wrote:
>>> On 25/12/2016 13:55, mike wrote:
>>>> I run 32 bit cygwin on a 64 bit machine running Windows 7.
>>>>
>>>> I used to get an XWin Server terminal running bash at startup (logging
>>>> into Windows) from which I could run the emacs packaged in cygwin.
>>>> After a round of updates I don't get the terminal window at startup 
>>>> and
>>>> if I try to manually launch it it fails to launch and AFAICT if I 
>>>> try to
>>>> run emacs from a command prompt I get the native version of emacs 
>>>> that I
>>>> also have installed and not the cygwin one.  The shortcut for XWin
>>>> Server is
>>>>
>>>>    C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe /usr/bin/bash.exe -l -c 
>>>> /usr/bin/startxwin.exe
>
> startxwin.exe doesn't exist any more.  It's been replaced by a script 
> /usr/bin/startxwin.  And, as Marco said, it doesn't start an xterm 
> automatically any more.  See
>
>   https://sourceware.org/ml/cygwin-announce/2015-07/msg00013.html
>
Hi developers

This is a sanity check.  Are 
https://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/cygwin-x-ug.pdf and 
https://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.pdf relatively up to date 
with respect to the major changes announced in the link of 06 Jul 2015 
above?

Thanks very much
Mike
> Ken
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Re: can't run cygwin emacs or XWin Server

[Jon Turney]

On 28/12/2016 10:21, mike wrote:
> Hi developers
>
> This is a sanity check.  Are
> https://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/cygwin-x-ug.pdf and
> https://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.pdf relatively up to date
> with respect to the major changes announced in the link of 06 Jul 2015
> above?

Those documents certainly should be aligned with those changes.

If you find anything which seems out of date, incorrect, or just 
unclear, please let us know so we can fix it :-)

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Re: can't run cygwin emacs or XWin Server

[mike]

Hi Marco okay my mistake sorry I made a mistake.  I've re-posted to the 
list.

Best regards and thanks for your help
Mike

On 25/12/2016 16:29, Marco Atzeri wrote:
> Reply in the mailing list please.
>
> On 25/12/2016 17:00, mike wrote:
>> On 25/12/2016 15:13, Marco Atzeri wrote:
>>> On 25/12/2016 13:55, mike wrote:
>>>> I run 32 bit cygwin on a 64 bit machine running Windows 7.
>>>>
>>>> I used to get an XWin Server terminal running bash at startup (logging
>>>> into Windows) from which I could run the emacs packaged in cygwin.
>>>> After a round of updates I don't get the terminal window at startup 
>>>> and
>>>> if I try to manually launch it it fails to launch and AFAICT if I 
>>>> try to
>>>> run emacs from a command prompt I get the native version of emacs 
>>>> that I
>>>> also have installed and not the cygwin one.  The shortcut for XWin
>>>> Server is
>>>>
>>>>    C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe /usr/bin/bash.exe -l -c 
>>>> /usr/bin/startxwin.exe
>>>
>>> Question:
>>> Is the Xserver running and you just don't have the Xterm automatically
>>> run ?
>> I actually don't know how to do that.  Can you tell me please? (I'm not
>> really a Windows person at all more Linux ...)
>
>
> Are the icon of X or XDG visible on the toolbar
> as in the attached picture ?
>


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