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From: Alexander Monakov <amonakov@ispras.ru>
To: Rui Ueyama <rui314@gmail.com>
Cc: "Martin Liška" <mliska@suse.cz>,
	"GCC Patches" <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org>,
	"Jan Hubicka" <hubicka@ucw.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] lto-plugin: add support for feature detection
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 10:53:16 +0300 (MSK)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9de185b3-914-8522-7eb-40b802d4651@ispras.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACKH++ZOA09Jsw9CD8F5U9ZoRCBYFNKYPhF8ZZKxPuEG7aniQA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 15 May 2022, Rui Ueyama wrote:

[snip]
> > So get_symbols_v3 allows the linker to discard an LTO .o file to solve this.
> >
> > In absence of get_symbols_v3 mold tries to ensure correctness by restarting
> > itself while appending a list of .o files to be discarded to its command line.
> >
> > I wonder if mold can invoke plugin cleanup callback to solve this without
> > restarting.
> 
> We can call the plugin cleanup callback from mold, but there are a few problems:
> 
> First of all, it looks like it is not clear what state the plugin cleanup
> callback resets to.  It may reset it to the initial state with which we
> need to restart everything from calling `onload` callback, or it may not
> deregister functions registered by the previous `onload` call. Since the
> exact semantics is not documented, the LLVM gold plugin may behave
> differently than the GCC plugin.

Ack, that looks risky (and probably unnecessary, see below).

> Second, if we reset a plugin's internal state, we need to register all
> input files by calling the `claim_file_hook` callback, which in turn calls
> the `add_symbols` callback. But we don't need any symbol information at
> this point because mold already knows what are in LTO object files as it
> calls `claim_file_hook` already on the same sets of files. So the
> `add_symbols` invocations would be ignored, which is a waste of resources.
> 
> So, I prefer get_symbols_v3 over calling the plugin cleanup callback.

Oh, to be clear I wouldn't argue against implementing get_symbols_v3 in GCC.
I was wondering if mold can solve this in another fashion without the
self-restart trick.

If I understood your design correctly, mold disregards the index in static
archives, because it doesn't give you the dependency graph of contained
objects (it only lists defined symbols, not used, I was mistaken about that
in the previous email), and you wanted to let mold parse all archived
objects in parallel instead of doing a multiphase scan where each phase
extracts only the needed objects (in parallel). Is that correct?

Is that a good tradeoff in the LTO case though? I believe you cannot assume
the plugin to be thread-safe, so you're serializing its API calls, right?
But the plugin is doing a lot of work, so using the index to feed it with as
few LTO objects as possible should be a significant win, no? (even if it
was thread-safe)

And with the index, it should be rare that a file is spuriously added to the
plugin, so maybe you could get away with issuing a warning or an error when
the v2 API is used, but mold needs to discard a file?

> > (also, hm, it seems to confirm my idea that LTO .o files should have had the
> > correct symbol table so normal linker algorithms would work)
> 
> I agree. If GCC LTO object file contains a correct ELF symbol table, we
> can also eliminate the need of the special LTO-aware ar command. It looks
> like it is a very common error to use an ar command that doesn't
> understand the LTO object file, which results in mysterious "undefined
> symbol" errors even though the object files in an archive file provide
> that very symbols.

Thanks.
Alexander

  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-15  7:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-02  7:51 [PATCH] Support LDPT_GET_SYMBOLS_V3 Martin Liška
2022-05-04 12:20 ` [PATCH] lto-plugin: add support for feature detection Martin Liška
2022-05-04 12:32   ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-04 12:41     ` Martin Liška
2022-05-04 13:10       ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-04 13:31         ` Martin Liška
2022-05-04 15:06           ` Bernhard Reutner-Fischer
2022-05-05  6:15           ` Richard Biener
2022-05-05  6:31             ` Richard Biener
2022-05-05 10:52               ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-05 12:50                 ` Martin Liška
2022-05-06 14:46                   ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-09  9:05                     ` Martin Liška
2022-05-15  6:57                     ` Rui Ueyama
2022-05-15  7:53                       ` Alexander Monakov [this message]
2022-05-15  8:07                         ` Rui Ueyama
2022-05-15  8:50                           ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-15 10:01                             ` Rui Ueyama
2022-05-15 10:09                               ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-15 10:32                                 ` Rui Ueyama
2022-05-15 11:37                                   ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-15 11:52                                     ` Rui Ueyama
2022-05-15 12:07                                       ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-16  2:41                                         ` Rui Ueyama
2022-05-16  6:38                                           ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-16  8:37                                             ` Rui Ueyama
2022-05-16  9:10                                               ` Richard Biener
2022-05-16  9:15                                                 ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-16  9:25                                                 ` Jan Hubicka
2022-05-16  9:38                                                   ` Martin Liška
2022-05-16  9:50                                                     ` Jan Hubicka
2022-05-16 10:22                                                       ` Richard Biener
2022-05-16  9:58                                                     ` Rui Ueyama
2022-05-16 10:28                                                       ` Richard Biener
2022-05-16 10:44                                                         ` Rui Ueyama
2022-05-16 12:04                                                         ` Martin Liška
2022-05-16 13:07                                                           ` Rui Ueyama
2022-05-16 13:38                                                             ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-16 15:16                                                           ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-17  6:20                                                             ` Richard Biener
2022-05-17 13:44                                                             ` Martin Liška
2022-06-16  6:59                                                               ` [PATCH 1/3] lto-plugin: support LDPT_GET_SYMBOLS_V3 Martin Liška
2022-06-20  9:23                                                                 ` Richard Biener
2022-06-16  7:01                                                               ` [PATCH 2/3] lto-plugin: make claim_file_handler thread-safe Martin Liška
2022-06-20  9:32                                                                 ` Richard Biener
2022-06-20 10:20                                                                   ` Martin Liška
2022-06-21  7:56                                                                     ` Richard Biener
2022-06-21  8:43                                                                       ` Martin Liška
2022-06-24  8:37                                                                         ` Richard Biener
2022-06-16  7:01                                                               ` [PATCH 3/3] lto-plugin: implement LDPT_GET_API_VERSION Martin Liška
2022-06-16  8:00                                                                 ` Alexander Monakov
2022-06-16 12:25                                                                   ` Martin Liška
2022-06-20  9:35                                                                     ` Richard Biener
2022-06-20 13:01                                                                       ` Martin Liška
2022-06-30  6:43                                                                         ` Rui Ueyama
2022-06-30  8:42                                                                           ` Martin Liška
2022-07-01  6:36                                                                             ` Richard Biener
2022-07-04 14:17                                                                               ` Martin Liška
2022-07-07  2:19                                                                                 ` Rui Ueyama
2022-07-08  8:42                                                                                   ` Martin Liška
2022-07-08 12:41                                                                                     ` Alexander Monakov
2022-07-11  7:23                                                                                       ` Rui Ueyama
2022-07-11  9:16                                                                                         ` Alexander Monakov
2022-07-11  9:55                                                                                           ` Richard Biener
2022-07-11 10:51                                                                                             ` Martin Liška
2022-07-11 12:24                                                                                               ` Rui Ueyama
2022-07-11 12:38                                                                                                 ` Alexander Monakov
2022-07-11 12:51                                                                                                 ` Martin Liška
2022-07-12  1:36                                                                                                   ` Rui Ueyama
2022-07-11 16:35                                                                                               ` Alexander Monakov
2022-07-12  6:28                                                                                                 ` Richard Biener
2022-07-12  7:36                                                                                                   ` Martin Liška
2022-07-12 11:50                                                                                                     ` Rui Ueyama
2022-07-12 13:21                                                                                                       ` Richard Biener
2022-07-12 13:31                                                                                                       ` Martin Liška
2022-07-13  7:44                                                                                                         ` Rui Ueyama

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