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From: Andrew Waterman <andrew@sifive.com>
To: Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>
Cc: jeffreyalaw@gmail.com, juzhe.zhong@rivai.ai,
	gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org,  Kito Cheng <kito.cheng@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] RISC-V: Remove unit-stride store from ta attribute
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2022 15:00:50 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA++6G0Br6kgTBQzE-R3WC8z_Y1xt8We1bpeLwzEFiX-ZNbhJFw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mhng-6d68ce96-4140-481f-9415-e15ee88fe08c@palmer-ri-x1c9a>

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 1:59 PM Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:01:04 PST (-0800), jeffreyalaw@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 12/14/22 04:36, juzhe.zhong@rivai.ai wrote:
> >> From: Ju-Zhe Zhong <juzhe.zhong@rivai.ai>
> >>
> >> Since store instructions doesn't care about tail policy, we remove
> >> vste from "ta" attribute. Hence, we could have more fusion chances
> >> and better optimization.
> >>
> >> gcc/ChangeLog:
> >>
> >>          * config/riscv/vector.md: Remove vste.
> > Just to confirm that I understand the basic model.  Vector stores only
> > update active elements, thus they don't care about tail policy, right?
> >
> > Assuming that's the case, then this is OK.
>
> That had been my assumption as well, but I don't see that explicitly
> called out in the ISA manual.  I see
>
>    Masked vector stores only update active memory elements.
>
> where "active" is defined as
>
>     * The _body_ elements are those whose element index is greater than or equal
>     to the initial value in the `vstart` register, and less than the current
>     vector length setting in `vl`. The body can be split into two disjoint subsets:
>
>     ** The _active_ elements during a vector instruction's execution are the
>     elements within the body and where the current mask is enabled at that element
>     position.  The active elements can raise exceptions and update the destination
>     vector register group.
>
> but I don't see anything about the unmasked stores.  The blurb about
> tail elements only applies to registers groups, not memory addresses, so
> I think that's kind of a grey area there too.  I was pretty sure the intent
> here was to have tail elements not updated in memory, so hopefully I'm just
> missing something in the spec.

As discussed on the github issue, I think there is sufficient
justification in the spec to say that vector stores are forbidden from
accessing tail elements even if unmasked.  (And of course the ISA
would be pretty useless if that weren't the case...) But there's no
reason not to clarify the language in the spec, so as to make it
easier for readers to grok.

>
> I open an issue to check: https://github.com/riscv/riscv-v-spec/issues/846

  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-16 23:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-14 11:36 juzhe.zhong
2022-12-16 20:01 ` Jeff Law
2022-12-16 21:59   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-12-16 23:00     ` Andrew Waterman [this message]
2022-12-17  1:22   ` 钟居哲
2022-12-19 15:06     ` Kito Cheng

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