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From: "Ulrich Weigand" <uweigand@de.ibm.com>
To: mutazilah@gmail.com (Paul Edwards)
Cc: Ralf.Wildenhues@gmx.de (Ralf Wildenhues),
	        iant@google.com (Ian Lance Taylor),
	gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: i370 port - 3.4.6 to 4.4 upgrade attempt
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:55:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200912081355.nB8DtPpU015400@d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <FA3C98179B6044BBBA28B2192C54438A@Paullaptop> from "Paul Edwards" at Dec 07, 2009 11:05:14 PM

Paul Edwards wrote:

> > I can see one significant change: the GCC middle-end now no
> > longer supports base-16 floating point at all.  The old i370
> > port was the only user of this feature, and some time after
> > the port was removed, the middle-end support was removed as
> > well in order to simplify floating-point handling code.
> > 
> > The s390 port uses IEEE float instead of hex float throughout,
> > so it is not affected by this change.
> 
> I found that if I didn't define anything for this at all, it still worked.
> I'm not sure when the lack of "hex float" will actually start
> affecting me.  I got it to generate code like:
> 
> LD 0,=D'5.5999999...e+0'
> 
> which will only require minor modifications to be acceptable to 
> HLASM.  And in fact, that's basically the same code that was
> being generated with GCC 3.4.6 anyway.

Well, there's two main points where lack of hex float support
in the compiler may cause problems.  The one is if you were
to rely on the compiler to convert float constants into the
binary representation.  But from your sample above it seems
that you're instead asking the assembler to do this, so it
should not be an issue.

The second problem is that whenever the compiler performs
compile-time computations of floating point values, it will
use the IEEE semantics, which means it might arrive at 
different results than what target code running on the
mainframe would.  This can manifest in the same source code
leading to different results when compiled with optimizations
as compared to without optimizations, for example.

Bye,
Ulrich

-- 
  Dr. Ulrich Weigand
  GNU Toolchain for Linux on System z and Cell BE
  Ulrich.Weigand@de.ibm.com

  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-08 13:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-09 22:33 i370 port Paul Edwards
2009-09-14 15:42 ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-15 12:59   ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-15 13:51     ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-17 13:00       ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-17 17:55         ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-18  0:35           ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-18 12:06             ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-18 12:23               ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-18 13:27                 ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-18 13:42                   ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-18 16:08                     ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-19 12:57                       ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-25 10:19                       ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-25 15:20                         ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-30 17:24                           ` i370 port - constructing compile script Paul Edwards
2009-09-30 17:36                             ` Richard Henderson
2009-09-30 21:40                               ` Paul Edwards
     [not found]                                 ` <mcrpr98x9w8.fsf@dhcp-172-17-9-151.mtv.corp.google.com>
2009-10-01  0:16                                   ` Joseph S. Myers
2009-10-01 14:00                                     ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-02 12:41                                     ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-02 16:00                                       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-10-02 22:53                                         ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-04  4:11                                           ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-10-04  5:14                                             ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-04  6:04                                               ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-10-04  6:50                                                 ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-04 15:38                                                   ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-10-04 22:51                                                     ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-05 13:15                                                       ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-10-06  9:32                                                         ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-06 13:15                                                           ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-10-06 13:38                                                             ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-06 14:01                                                               ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-10-14 14:33                                                                 ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-19 14:19                                                         ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-19 17:37                                                           ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-10-20 14:18                                                             ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-20 15:30                                                               ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-11-12 14:03                                                             ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-12 20:06                                                               ` Ralf Wildenhues
2009-11-12 20:56                                                                 ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-13 11:43                                                                 ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-13 12:01                                                                   ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-11-13 12:18                                                                     ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-13 12:57                                                                       ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-11-14  8:52                                                                         ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-14 10:49                                                                           ` Ralf Wildenhues
2009-11-14 11:28                                                                             ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-22  0:51                                                                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-18 10:51                                                                             ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-19 14:27                                                                               ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-11-21 13:40                                                                                 ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-23 10:33                                                                                 ` i370 port - 3.4.6 to 4.4 upgrade attempt Paul Edwards
2009-11-23 10:43                                                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-23 15:43                                                                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 14:05                                                                                   ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-11-24 14:36                                                                                     ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-28 15:14                                                                                     ` i370 port - music/sp - possible generic gcc problem Paul Edwards
2009-11-28 16:03                                                                                       ` Richard Guenther
2009-11-28 16:35                                                                                         ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-28 17:03                                                                                           ` Richard Guenther
2009-11-28 23:44                                                                                             ` Paul Edwards
2010-05-26 14:40                                                                                         ` i370 port - status Paul Edwards
2021-03-14  5:55                                                                                         ` negative indexes Paul Edwards
2021-03-14  8:05                                                                                           ` Richard Biener
2021-03-14  8:12                                                                                             ` Paul Edwards
2021-03-14 13:37                                                                                               ` Richard Biener
     [not found]                                                                                                 ` <755065BE2A0B4B508DD3A262B2A83801@DESKTOP0OKG1VA>
2021-03-15  9:22                                                                                                   ` Richard Biener
2021-03-15 13:55                                                                                                     ` extended segments on 80386 Paul Edwards
2009-12-07 12:05                                                                                     ` i370 port - 3.4.6 to 4.4 upgrade attempt Paul Edwards
2009-12-08 13:55                                                                                       ` Ulrich Weigand [this message]
2009-11-15 14:22                                                                         ` i370 port - finally building Paul Edwards
2009-11-22  0:46                                                                   ` i370 port - constructing compile script Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-13 12:08                                                               ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-10-05 13:17                                                   ` Michael Matz
2009-10-05 13:38                                                     ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-05 13:46                                                       ` Michael Matz
2009-10-01 14:28                             ` Paul Brook
2009-10-01 16:00                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-01 18:36                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-10-01 23:43                                   ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-01 21:10                                 ` David Edelsohn
2009-10-01 22:22                                   ` Toon Moene
2009-10-02  0:19                                     ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-04  5:21                       ` i370 port Paul Edwards
2009-11-04 16:47                         ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-11-09 14:55                           ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-09 15:57                             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-11-09 23:10                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-10 14:58                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-10 15:36                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-11-10 15:51                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-10 15:56                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-12-02 22:03                                   ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-13  8:34                           ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-15 14:32                             ` Ulrich Weigand
2011-08-15 15:26                               ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-15 17:23                                 ` Ulrich Weigand
2011-08-16 11:20                                   ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-16 13:26                                     ` Ulrich Weigand
2011-08-18 12:15                                       ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-18 13:14                                         ` Ulrich Weigand
2011-08-18 14:18                                           ` Paul Edwards

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