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From: Pedro Alves <palves@redhat.com>
To: Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com>
Cc: Jan Kratochvil <jan.kratochvil@redhat.com>, gdb@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: Will therefore GDB utilize C++ or not?
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:56:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4FBA6583.5000002@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ehqhfenc.fsf@fleche.redhat.com>

On 05/18/2012 08:55 PM, Tom Tromey wrote:

>>>>>> "Pedro" == Pedro Alves <palves@redhat.com> writes:
> 
> Pedro> This is important, because we want gdbserver to be usable in #1,
> Pedro> resource constrained scenarios where the C++ dependency would be
> Pedro> unacceptable.
> 
> I wonder whether you would reconsider this given the size measurements I
> did.


Thanks.  I appreciate them.  I didn't expect the code size to grow significantly,
as we had already seem similar comparisons done for gcc in the course of
the various C vs C++ discussions over there with similar results.
However, I'll note that such comparisons assume an unchanged C-style codebase,
and ignore the size increase you get when you actually start using C++
features, such as, throwing exceptions, or using iostream.  In my quick
experiment adding a cout << "foo" (-static-libstdc++ -flto -Os + strip) more
than triples the binary size.

> In particular, C++ is something like 3% space overhead today, and that
> gdbserver is already ~300K.  I think that size growth is quite
> acceptable.
> 
> Pedro> We don't want there to need to be other gdbserver-like programs
> Pedro> specialized for such environments, and gdbserver to be usable
> Pedro> only on bigger machines.  We want gdbserver to run everywhere.
> 
> The recent gdb-patches thread from Jonathan Larmour indicates that we
> already lost this one.  He was concerned about the use of 2183 bytes.


That was for eCos, running on tiny embedded micro-controllers though.

I'm talking about things such as uclinux based routers vs big iron
GNU/Linux mainframes -- having only one codebase to maintain that
has to know ptrace intricasy, for example.

-- 
Pedro Alves

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-05-21 15:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-30 16:14 Jan Kratochvil
2012-04-04 20:48 ` Tom Tromey
2012-04-04 21:55   ` Mark Kettenis
2012-04-05  3:31     ` Sergio Durigan Junior
2012-04-05 11:46     ` Phil Muldoon
2012-04-06  0:35       ` Will therefore GDB utilize C++? Not John Gilmore
2012-04-06  1:35         ` Russell Shaw
2012-04-06 13:16           ` Joel Brobecker
2012-04-06 14:43             ` Russell Shaw
2012-04-06 15:34             ` Michael Eager
2012-04-06 23:32             ` John Gilmore
2012-04-07  1:04               ` Robert Dewar
2012-04-07  1:52                 ` Thomas Dineen
2012-04-07 16:54               ` Michael Eager
2012-04-09 23:59               ` Stan Shebs
2012-04-05  0:22   ` Will therefore GDB utilize C++ or not? asmwarrior
2012-04-09 18:41   ` Pedro Alves
2012-04-09 19:05     ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-04-09 19:49       ` Pedro Alves
2012-04-09 20:15         ` Paul Smith
2012-04-12 20:06         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2012-04-12 21:28           ` Paul_Koning
2012-04-13  0:04           ` Doug Evans
2012-04-18 14:10             ` Pedro Alves
2012-04-18 20:27             ` Tom Tromey
2012-04-18 14:08           ` Pedro Alves
2012-04-21 17:24             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2012-04-16  6:55         ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-04-18 14:11           ` Pedro Alves
2012-04-18 15:16             ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-04-18 15:28               ` Pedro Alves
2012-04-18 15:54                 ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-04-18 16:01                   ` Pedro Alves
2012-04-18 16:07                   ` Joel Brobecker
2012-04-18 16:13                     ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-04-18 16:23                       ` Joel Brobecker
2012-04-18 16:31                         ` Joel Sherrill
2012-04-18 16:50                           ` Pedro Alves
2012-04-18 16:57                             ` Joel Brobecker
2012-04-18 17:28                               ` Joel Sherrill
2012-04-18 17:40                               ` Paul_Koning
2012-04-18 20:37                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2012-04-18 20:38                                   ` Paul_Koning
2012-04-18 20:36                     ` Tom Tromey
2012-04-18 17:48                   ` John Gilmore
2012-04-18 19:07                     ` Tom Tromey
2012-04-18 23:10                       ` John Gilmore
2012-05-18 18:36                         ` Tom Tromey
2012-05-18 18:47                           ` Paul_Koning
2012-05-18 19:36                             ` Tom Tromey
2012-05-18 19:44                               ` Paul_Koning
2012-05-18 20:07                                 ` Tom Tromey
2012-05-18 20:41                                   ` Aurelian Melinte
2012-05-18 18:51                         ` Lazy CU expansion (Was: Will therefore GDB utilize C++ or not?) Tom Tromey
2012-04-18 20:34                   ` Will therefore GDB utilize C++ or not? Tom Tromey
2012-04-18 19:18               ` Will C++ proponents spend 20 minutes to try what they're proposing? John Gilmore
2012-04-18 19:23                 ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-04-18 20:40                 ` Tom Tromey
2012-04-18 20:56                   ` Mike Frysinger
2012-04-18 20:31           ` Will therefore GDB utilize C++ or not? Tom Tromey
2012-04-18 20:25         ` Tom Tromey
2012-05-21 18:11           ` Pedro Alves
2012-05-21 18:36             ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-11-21 20:18             ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-04-10  0:23     ` Yao Qi
2012-04-10  9:47       ` Yao Qi
2012-04-18 20:11     ` Tom Tromey
2012-04-18 20:31       ` Can it really be ok to map GPL'd code into any old process? John Gilmore
2012-04-18 20:36         ` Pedro Alves
2012-04-23 18:03       ` Will therefore GDB utilize C++ or not? Tom Tromey
2012-05-18 19:55     ` Tom Tromey
2012-05-18 21:56       ` Joel Brobecker
2012-05-19  2:17         ` Tom Tromey
2012-05-19 15:21           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2012-05-19 21:36             ` Joel Brobecker
2012-05-20 12:16         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2012-05-21 15:56       ` Pedro Alves [this message]
2012-05-21 16:15         ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-05-21 17:37           ` Paul_Koning
2012-05-21 17:58             ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-05-22 18:03               ` Paul_Koning
2012-05-21 18:08           ` Pedro Alves
2012-05-21 18:08             ` Tom Tromey
2012-05-21 18:10             ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-05-21 18:54             ` Matt Rice
2012-05-26 15:50         ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-06-02  7:01           ` Russell Shaw
2012-06-02  7:13             ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-06-02 10:47               ` Russell Shaw
2012-06-02 11:10                 ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-06-02 11:15                   ` Russell Shaw
2012-06-02 11:15                   ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-11-22 18:46     ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-11-22 21:42       ` John Gilmore
2012-11-23 15:26         ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-11-27  1:29       ` Stan Shebs
2012-11-27  2:02         ` Paul_Koning
2012-11-27  2:59           ` Stan Shebs
2012-11-27 15:17             ` Paul_Koning
2012-11-27 21:14             ` Tom Tromey
2012-04-09 23:23   ` Stan Shebs
2012-04-18 14:22     ` Pedro Alves
2012-04-18 18:12       ` Stan Shebs
2012-04-18 18:32         ` Paul_Koning
2012-04-18 18:37         ` Pedro Alves
2012-04-19  8:43   ` Yao Qi
2012-12-04 14:17     ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-12-04 14:44       ` Mark Kettenis
2012-12-04 14:52         ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-12-06 20:39           ` Matt Rice
2012-12-07 12:57             ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-12-07 13:25             ` Yao Qi
2012-12-11  6:25               ` Matt Rice
2012-12-13 15:12                 ` Jan Kratochvil
2012-12-14 11:03                   ` Matt Rice
2012-12-14 12:16                     ` Jan Kratochvil

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