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* GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20   ` GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library] Ferdinando Ametrano
@ 2001-11-05  5:51     ` Ferdinando Ametrano
  2001-12-19 13:20     ` Anton Fokin
  2001-12-19 13:20     ` Ferdinando Ametrano
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Ferdinando Ametrano @ 2001-11-05  5:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: smartquant, Brian Gough; +Cc: Anton Fokin, gsl-discuss

At 10:20 AM 11/14/01 +0100, on the R-Quant mailing list 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smartquant/message/911) Anton Fokin wrote:
>we have GSL already included in R-Quant distribution.
>[omissis]
>I will update R-Quant GSL version to the newest one in the next release.

GSL uses the Gnu Public License (GPL). Therefore, if R-Quant includes GSL 
R-Quant should be GPL-ed too.
I might be missing some important point here, but I think R-Quant licence 
agreement (http://www.smartquant.com/license.html) is not GPL compatible.

Ferdinando Ametrano


^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20     ` Anton Fokin
@ 2001-11-06  8:02       ` Anton Fokin
  2001-12-19 13:20       ` Ferdinando Ametrano
                         ` (3 subsequent siblings)
  4 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Anton Fokin @ 2001-11-06  8:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ferdinando Ametrano; +Cc: smartquant, Brian Gough, gsl-discuss

Hi guys,

>GSL uses the Gnu Public License (GPL). Therefore, if R-Quant includes GSL
>R-Quant should be GPL-ed too.

Well, R-Quant includes the whole source (actually the whole distribution) of
the GSL. Thus I thought we comply with the requirements. Such distribution is
quite convinient for the end users since they do not need to worry about GSL
download/install.

There are three ways to solve this "problem"

- make a special agreement with GSL/GNU team (such possibility is stated on
GPL pages)
- remove GSL distribution from R-Quant package so that all interested users
can download/install it on
  their own. C++ wrappers will still remain.
- remove GSL completely from R-Quant project.

What's your suggestion?

Cheers,
Anton


Ferdinando Ametrano wrote:

> At 10:20 AM 11/14/01 +0100, on the R-Quant mailing list
> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smartquant/message/911) Anton Fokin wrote:
> >we have GSL already included in R-Quant distribution.
> >[omissis]
> >I will update R-Quant GSL version to the newest one in the next release.
>
> GSL uses the Gnu Public License (GPL). Therefore, if R-Quant includes GSL
> R-Quant should be GPL-ed too.
> I might be missing some important point here, but I think R-Quant licence
> agreement (http://www.smartquant.com/license.html) is not GPL compatible.
>
> Ferdinando Ametrano

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20       ` Ferdinando Ametrano
@ 2001-11-06  9:53         ` Ferdinando Ametrano
  2001-12-19 13:20         ` Anton Fokin
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Ferdinando Ametrano @ 2001-11-06  9:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Anton Fokin; +Cc: smartquant, Brian Gough, gsl-discuss

At 11:55 AM 11/14/01 +0100, Anton Fokin wrote:
>There are three ways to solve this "problem"
>[omissis]
>What's your suggestion?
My suggestion would be pointless: it's up to the GSL copyright holder, i.e. 
Brian Gough if I'm not wrong.

Ferdinando Ametrano

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20         ` Anton Fokin
@ 2001-11-07 20:08           ` Anton Fokin
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Anton Fokin @ 2001-11-07 20:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ferdinando Ametrano; +Cc: smartquant, Brian Gough, gsl-discuss

Ok, I am waiting Brian's reaction then.

In any case I think both projects would benefit from such cooperation, so let's
see.

Cheers,
Anton

Ferdinando Ametrano wrote:

> At 11:55 AM 11/14/01 +0100, Anton Fokin wrote:
> >There are three ways to solve this "problem"
> >[omissis]
> >What's your suggestion?
> My suggestion would be pointless: it's up to the GSL copyright holder, i.e.
> Brian Gough if I'm not wrong.
>
> Ferdinando Ametrano

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20       ` Kenneth Geisshirt
@ 2001-11-08  2:15         ` Kenneth Geisshirt
  2001-12-19 13:20         ` [smartquant] " Anton Fokin
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Kenneth Geisshirt @ 2001-11-08  2:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Anton Fokin; +Cc: Ferdinando Ametrano, smartquant, Brian Gough, gsl-discuss

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Anton Fokin wrote:

> There are three ways to solve this "problem"

Actually, there is a fourth solution: put __your__ code under GPL!

Kneth

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* Re: [smartquant] Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20         ` [smartquant] " Anton Fokin
@ 2001-11-08  6:56           ` Anton Fokin
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Anton Fokin @ 2001-11-08  6:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: smartquant; +Cc: Ferdinando Ametrano, Brian Gough, gsl-discuss

Well, until we are not sure which kind of (final) license we want to see for
R-Quant (open source/GPL/Qt-like/other) I prefer keeping flexibility in
making such decisions.

Thus we are ready to follow all the requirements like source code
distribution/copyright notes/etc.etc but today we wish to keep R-Quant under
"R-Quant" license agreement.

Cheers,
Anton

Kenneth Geisshirt wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Anton Fokin wrote:
>
> > There are three ways to solve this "problem"
>
> Actually, there is a fourth solution: put __your__ code under GPL!
>
> Kneth
>
> --
> Kenneth Geisshirt, M.Sc., Ph.D.         http://kenneth.geisshirt.dk
> GPG Fingerprint: 7424 AF49 AB47 03D4 D7C5  A07C 4D92 37E7 2F92 0B79
> Computers are like air conditioners
>                      they stop working properly if you open WINDOWS
>
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* Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20       ` Brian Gough
@ 2001-11-08  7:03         ` Brian Gough
  2001-12-19 13:20         ` Brian Gough
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Brian Gough @ 2001-11-08  7:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Anton Fokin; +Cc: Ferdinando Ametrano, smartquant, gsl-discuss

Anton,
  I've looked at your license for R-quant and it allows only
non-commercial use, so that would not be compatible with the license
of the GNU Scientific Library.  

  The relevant parts of the GNU GPL are Sections 2 and 3 (in the
COPYING file included with GSL).  There are also some FAQ entries on
the GNU website which discuss this, e.g.

   http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLInProprietarySystem

If you need more specific information feel free to ask, but if you
wanted to use GSL in your product you'd need to change the license to
GPL.

best regards,

-- 
Brian Gough

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Network Theory Ltd            Phone: +44 (0)117 3179309
15 Royal Park                   WWW: http://www.network-theory.co.uk/
Clifton                       Email: bjg@network-theory.co.uk    
Bristol BS8 3AL
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* Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20         ` Brian Gough
@ 2001-11-08  7:38           ` Brian Gough
  2001-12-19 13:20           ` [smartquant] " Anton Fokin
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Brian Gough @ 2001-11-08  7:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Anton Fokin, smartquant, gsl-discuss

Anton,
I read the follow-up discussions on the smartquant list about GSL
wrappers in R-quant.  I'm not sure what license these wrappers are
under but if it is the R-quant license then there is a problem.

Any distributed code which refers to GSL functions should be licensed
to the end-user under the GPL.  The intent of the GPL is that we make
our code free to other people if they do the same for us --- two-way
cooperation.  The current R-quant license is not a free software
license so there should not be anything distributed under that license
which directly refers to GSL functions.

Thanks,

-- 
Brian Gough

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Network Theory Ltd            Phone: +44 (0)117 3179309
15 Royal Park                   WWW: http://www.network-theory.co.uk/
Clifton                       Email: bjg@network-theory.co.uk    
Bristol BS8 3AL
----------------------------------------------------------------------

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* Re: [smartquant] Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20           ` [smartquant] " Anton Fokin
@ 2001-11-09  6:07             ` Anton Fokin
  2001-12-19 13:20             ` Brian Gough
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Anton Fokin @ 2001-11-09  6:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: smartquant; +Cc: gsl-discuss

Brian,

not exactly, see lines from GPL FAQ. Moreover, if I distribute libGSL under
GPL (or whatever compatible license) together with R-Quant kernel which is
not under GPL, would it solve your problem?

Cheers,
Anton

However, in many cases you can distribute the GPL-covered software alongside
your proprietary system. To do this validly, you must make sure that the free
and
non-free programs communicate at arms length, that they are not combined in a
way that would make them effectively a single program.

The difference between this and "incorporating" the GPL-covered software is
partly a matter of substance and partly form. The substantive part is this:
if the two
programs are combined so that they become effectively two parts of one
program, then you can't treat them as two separate programs. So the GPL has
to cover the
whole thing.

If the two programs remain well separated, like the compiler and the kernel,
or like an editor and a shell, then you can treat them as two separate
programs--but you
have to do it properly. The issue is simply one of form: how you describe
what you are doing. Why do we care about this? Because we want to make sure
the users
clearly understand the free status of the GPL-covered software in the
collection.

If people were to distribute GPL-covered software calling it "part of" a
system that users know is partly proprietary, users might be uncertain of
their rights regarding
the GNU software. But if they know that what they have received is a free
program plus another program, side by side, their rights will be clear.

Cheers,
Anton

Brian Gough wrote:

> Anton,
> I read the follow-up discussions on the smartquant list about GSL
> wrappers in R-quant.  I'm not sure what license these wrappers are
> under but if it is the R-quant license then there is a problem.
>
> Any distributed code which refers to GSL functions should be licensed
> to the end-user under the GPL.  The intent of the GPL is that we make
> our code free to other people if they do the same for us --- two-way
> cooperation.  The current R-quant license is not a free software
> license so there should not be anything distributed under that license
> which directly refers to GSL functions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Brian Gough
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Network Theory Ltd            Phone: +44 (0)117 3179309
> 15 Royal Park                   WWW: http://www.network-theory.co.uk/
> Clifton                       Email: bjg@network-theory.co.uk
> Bristol BS8 3AL
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^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* Re: [smartquant] Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20             ` Brian Gough
@ 2001-11-09  9:19               ` Brian Gough
  2001-12-19 13:20               ` Anton Fokin
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Brian Gough @ 2001-11-09  9:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Anton Fokin; +Cc: smartquant, gsl-discuss

Anton Fokin writes:
 > Not exactly, see lines from GPL FAQ. Moreover, if I distribute libGSL under
 > GPL (or whatever compatible license) together with R-Quant kernel which is
 > not under GPL, would it solve your problem?

I'll just have to refer you to my previous message and say it is your
responsiblity to comply with the license of GSL when redistributing
any related software --- you may want to take legal advice in case of
any doubt.  Since your project is not free software I can't offer any
specific advice apart from that.  The safest option is not to use GSL
in non-free projects.

regards,
-- 
Brian Gough

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Network Theory Ltd            Phone: +44 (0)117 3179309
15 Royal Park                   WWW: http://www.network-theory.co.uk/
Clifton                       Email: bjg@network-theory.co.uk    
Bristol BS8 3AL
----------------------------------------------------------------------

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* Re: [smartquant] Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20               ` Anton Fokin
@ 2001-11-10  2:37                 ` Anton Fokin
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Anton Fokin @ 2001-11-10  2:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Brian Gough; +Cc: smartquant, gsl-discuss

Kevin,

could you ask for a legal advise for us ? :)

Cheers,
Anton

Brian Gough wrote:

> Anton Fokin writes:
>  > Not exactly, see lines from GPL FAQ. Moreover, if I distribute libGSL under
>  > GPL (or whatever compatible license) together with R-Quant kernel which is
>  > not under GPL, would it solve your problem?
>
> I'll just have to refer you to my previous message and say it is your
> responsiblity to comply with the license of GSL when redistributing
> any related software --- you may want to take legal advice in case of
> any doubt.  Since your project is not free software I can't offer any
> specific advice apart from that.  The safest option is not to use GSL
> in non-free projects.
>
> regards,
> --
> Brian Gough
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Network Theory Ltd            Phone: +44 (0)117 3179309
> 15 Royal Park                   WWW: http://www.network-theory.co.uk/
> Clifton                       Email: bjg@network-theory.co.uk
> Bristol BS8 3AL
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20       ` Ferdinando Ametrano
  2001-11-06  9:53         ` Ferdinando Ametrano
@ 2001-12-19 13:20         ` Anton Fokin
  2001-11-07 20:08           ` Anton Fokin
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread
From: Anton Fokin @ 2001-12-19 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ferdinando Ametrano; +Cc: smartquant, Brian Gough, gsl-discuss

Ok, I am waiting Brian's reaction then.

In any case I think both projects would benefit from such cooperation, so let's
see.

Cheers,
Anton

Ferdinando Ametrano wrote:

> At 11:55 AM 11/14/01 +0100, Anton Fokin wrote:
> >There are three ways to solve this "problem"
> >[omissis]
> >What's your suggestion?
> My suggestion would be pointless: it's up to the GSL copyright holder, i.e.
> Brian Gough if I'm not wrong.
>
> Ferdinando Ametrano

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* Re: [smartquant] Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20       ` Kenneth Geisshirt
  2001-11-08  2:15         ` Kenneth Geisshirt
@ 2001-12-19 13:20         ` Anton Fokin
  2001-11-08  6:56           ` Anton Fokin
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread
From: Anton Fokin @ 2001-12-19 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: smartquant; +Cc: Ferdinando Ametrano, Brian Gough, gsl-discuss

Well, until we are not sure which kind of (final) license we want to see for
R-Quant (open source/GPL/Qt-like/other) I prefer keeping flexibility in
making such decisions.

Thus we are ready to follow all the requirements like source code
distribution/copyright notes/etc.etc but today we wish to keep R-Quant under
"R-Quant" license agreement.

Cheers,
Anton

Kenneth Geisshirt wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Anton Fokin wrote:
>
> > There are three ways to solve this "problem"
>
> Actually, there is a fourth solution: put __your__ code under GPL!
>
> Kneth
>
> --
> Kenneth Geisshirt, M.Sc., Ph.D.         http://kenneth.geisshirt.dk
> GPG Fingerprint: 7424 AF49 AB47 03D4 D7C5  A07C 4D92 37E7 2F92 0B79
> Computers are like air conditioners
>                      they stop working properly if you open WINDOWS
>
> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->
> Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95
> Refill any ink cartridge for less!
> Includes black and color ink.
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/E11sED/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/GHeqlB/TM
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------~->
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20   ` GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library] Ferdinando Ametrano
  2001-11-05  5:51     ` Ferdinando Ametrano
@ 2001-12-19 13:20     ` Anton Fokin
  2001-11-06  8:02       ` Anton Fokin
                         ` (4 more replies)
  2001-12-19 13:20     ` Ferdinando Ametrano
  2 siblings, 5 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Anton Fokin @ 2001-12-19 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ferdinando Ametrano; +Cc: smartquant, Brian Gough, gsl-discuss

Hi guys,

>GSL uses the Gnu Public License (GPL). Therefore, if R-Quant includes GSL
>R-Quant should be GPL-ed too.

Well, R-Quant includes the whole source (actually the whole distribution) of
the GSL. Thus I thought we comply with the requirements. Such distribution is
quite convinient for the end users since they do not need to worry about GSL
download/install.

There are three ways to solve this "problem"

- make a special agreement with GSL/GNU team (such possibility is stated on
GPL pages)
- remove GSL distribution from R-Quant package so that all interested users
can download/install it on
  their own. C++ wrappers will still remain.
- remove GSL completely from R-Quant project.

What's your suggestion?

Cheers,
Anton


Ferdinando Ametrano wrote:

> At 10:20 AM 11/14/01 +0100, on the R-Quant mailing list
> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smartquant/message/911) Anton Fokin wrote:
> >we have GSL already included in R-Quant distribution.
> >[omissis]
> >I will update R-Quant GSL version to the newest one in the next release.
>
> GSL uses the Gnu Public License (GPL). Therefore, if R-Quant includes GSL
> R-Quant should be GPL-ed too.
> I might be missing some important point here, but I think R-Quant licence
> agreement (http://www.smartquant.com/license.html) is not GPL compatible.
>
> Ferdinando Ametrano

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20       ` Brian Gough
  2001-11-08  7:03         ` Brian Gough
@ 2001-12-19 13:20         ` Brian Gough
  2001-11-08  7:38           ` Brian Gough
  2001-12-19 13:20           ` [smartquant] " Anton Fokin
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Brian Gough @ 2001-12-19 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Anton Fokin, smartquant, gsl-discuss

Anton,
I read the follow-up discussions on the smartquant list about GSL
wrappers in R-quant.  I'm not sure what license these wrappers are
under but if it is the R-quant license then there is a problem.

Any distributed code which refers to GSL functions should be licensed
to the end-user under the GPL.  The intent of the GPL is that we make
our code free to other people if they do the same for us --- two-way
cooperation.  The current R-quant license is not a free software
license so there should not be anything distributed under that license
which directly refers to GSL functions.

Thanks,

-- 
Brian Gough

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Network Theory Ltd            Phone: +44 (0)117 3179309
15 Royal Park                   WWW: http://www.network-theory.co.uk/
Clifton                       Email: bjg@network-theory.co.uk    
Bristol BS8 3AL
----------------------------------------------------------------------

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* Re: [smartquant] Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20             ` Brian Gough
  2001-11-09  9:19               ` Brian Gough
@ 2001-12-19 13:20               ` Anton Fokin
  2001-11-10  2:37                 ` Anton Fokin
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread
From: Anton Fokin @ 2001-12-19 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Brian Gough; +Cc: smartquant, gsl-discuss

Kevin,

could you ask for a legal advise for us ? :)

Cheers,
Anton

Brian Gough wrote:

> Anton Fokin writes:
>  > Not exactly, see lines from GPL FAQ. Moreover, if I distribute libGSL under
>  > GPL (or whatever compatible license) together with R-Quant kernel which is
>  > not under GPL, would it solve your problem?
>
> I'll just have to refer you to my previous message and say it is your
> responsiblity to comply with the license of GSL when redistributing
> any related software --- you may want to take legal advice in case of
> any doubt.  Since your project is not free software I can't offer any
> specific advice apart from that.  The safest option is not to use GSL
> in non-free projects.
>
> regards,
> --
> Brian Gough
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Network Theory Ltd            Phone: +44 (0)117 3179309
> 15 Royal Park                   WWW: http://www.network-theory.co.uk/
> Clifton                       Email: bjg@network-theory.co.uk
> Bristol BS8 3AL
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
       [not found] ` <3BF23743.AAEC520D@smartquant.com>
@ 2001-12-19 13:20   ` Ferdinando Ametrano
  2001-11-05  5:51     ` Ferdinando Ametrano
                       ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Ferdinando Ametrano @ 2001-12-19 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: smartquant, Brian Gough; +Cc: Anton Fokin, gsl-discuss

At 10:20 AM 11/14/01 +0100, on the R-Quant mailing list 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smartquant/message/911) Anton Fokin wrote:
>we have GSL already included in R-Quant distribution.
>[omissis]
>I will update R-Quant GSL version to the newest one in the next release.

GSL uses the Gnu Public License (GPL). Therefore, if R-Quant includes GSL 
R-Quant should be GPL-ed too.
I might be missing some important point here, but I think R-Quant licence 
agreement (http://www.smartquant.com/license.html) is not GPL compatible.

Ferdinando Ametrano


^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20     ` Anton Fokin
  2001-11-06  8:02       ` Anton Fokin
@ 2001-12-19 13:20       ` Ferdinando Ametrano
  2001-11-06  9:53         ` Ferdinando Ametrano
  2001-12-19 13:20         ` Anton Fokin
  2001-12-19 13:20       ` Anton Fokin
                         ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  4 siblings, 2 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Ferdinando Ametrano @ 2001-12-19 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Anton Fokin; +Cc: smartquant, Brian Gough, gsl-discuss

At 11:55 AM 11/14/01 +0100, Anton Fokin wrote:
>There are three ways to solve this "problem"
>[omissis]
>What's your suggestion?
My suggestion would be pointless: it's up to the GSL copyright holder, i.e. 
Brian Gough if I'm not wrong.

Ferdinando Ametrano

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20     ` Anton Fokin
  2001-11-06  8:02       ` Anton Fokin
  2001-12-19 13:20       ` Ferdinando Ametrano
@ 2001-12-19 13:20       ` Anton Fokin
  2001-12-19 13:20       ` Brian Gough
  2001-12-19 13:20       ` Kenneth Geisshirt
  4 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Anton Fokin @ 2001-12-19 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ferdinando Ametrano; +Cc: smartquant, Brian Gough, gsl-discuss

Hi guys,

>GSL uses the Gnu Public License (GPL). Therefore, if R-Quant includes GSL
>R-Quant should be GPL-ed too.

Well, R-Quant includes the whole source (actually the whole distribution) of
the GSL. Thus I thought we comply with the requirements. Such distribution is
quite convinient for the end users since they do not need to worry about GSL
download/install.

There are three ways to solve this "problem"

- make a special agreement with GSL/GNU team (such possibility is stated on
GPL pages)
- remove GSL distribution from R-Quant package so that all interested users
can download/install it on
  their own. C++ wrappers will still remain.
- remove GSL completely from R-Quant project.

What's your suggestion?

Cheers,
Anton


Ferdinando Ametrano wrote:

> At 10:20 AM 11/14/01 +0100, on the R-Quant mailing list
> ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smartquant/message/911 ) Anton Fokin wrote:
> >we have GSL already included in R-Quant distribution.
> >[omissis]
> >I will update R-Quant GSL version to the newest one in the next release.
>
> GSL uses the Gnu Public License (GPL). Therefore, if R-Quant includes GSL
> R-Quant should be GPL-ed too.
> I might be missing some important point here, but I think R-Quant licence
> agreement ( http://www.smartquant.com/license.html ) is not GPL compatible.
>
> Ferdinando Ametrano

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20     ` Anton Fokin
                         ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2001-12-19 13:20       ` Anton Fokin
@ 2001-12-19 13:20       ` Brian Gough
  2001-11-08  7:03         ` Brian Gough
  2001-12-19 13:20         ` Brian Gough
  2001-12-19 13:20       ` Kenneth Geisshirt
  4 siblings, 2 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Brian Gough @ 2001-12-19 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Anton Fokin; +Cc: Ferdinando Ametrano, smartquant, gsl-discuss

Anton,
  I've looked at your license for R-quant and it allows only
non-commercial use, so that would not be compatible with the license
of the GNU Scientific Library.  

  The relevant parts of the GNU GPL are Sections 2 and 3 (in the
COPYING file included with GSL).  There are also some FAQ entries on
the GNU website which discuss this, e.g.

   http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLInProprietarySystem

If you need more specific information feel free to ask, but if you
wanted to use GSL in your product you'd need to change the license to
GPL.

best regards,

-- 
Brian Gough

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^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* Re: [smartquant] Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20           ` [smartquant] " Anton Fokin
  2001-11-09  6:07             ` Anton Fokin
@ 2001-12-19 13:20             ` Brian Gough
  2001-11-09  9:19               ` Brian Gough
  2001-12-19 13:20               ` Anton Fokin
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Brian Gough @ 2001-12-19 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Anton Fokin; +Cc: smartquant, gsl-discuss

Anton Fokin writes:
 > Not exactly, see lines from GPL FAQ. Moreover, if I distribute libGSL under
 > GPL (or whatever compatible license) together with R-Quant kernel which is
 > not under GPL, would it solve your problem?

I'll just have to refer you to my previous message and say it is your
responsiblity to comply with the license of GSL when redistributing
any related software --- you may want to take legal advice in case of
any doubt.  Since your project is not free software I can't offer any
specific advice apart from that.  The safest option is not to use GSL
in non-free projects.

regards,
-- 
Brian Gough

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Network Theory Ltd            Phone: +44 (0)117 3179309
15 Royal Park                   WWW: http://www.network-theory.co.uk/
Clifton                       Email: bjg@network-theory.co.uk    
Bristol BS8 3AL
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^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20     ` Anton Fokin
                         ` (3 preceding siblings ...)
  2001-12-19 13:20       ` Brian Gough
@ 2001-12-19 13:20       ` Kenneth Geisshirt
  2001-11-08  2:15         ` Kenneth Geisshirt
  2001-12-19 13:20         ` [smartquant] " Anton Fokin
  4 siblings, 2 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Kenneth Geisshirt @ 2001-12-19 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Anton Fokin; +Cc: Ferdinando Ametrano, smartquant, Brian Gough, gsl-discuss

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Anton Fokin wrote:

> There are three ways to solve this "problem"

Actually, there is a fourth solution: put __your__ code under GPL!

Kneth

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^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20   ` GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library] Ferdinando Ametrano
  2001-11-05  5:51     ` Ferdinando Ametrano
  2001-12-19 13:20     ` Anton Fokin
@ 2001-12-19 13:20     ` Ferdinando Ametrano
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Ferdinando Ametrano @ 2001-12-19 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: smartquant, Brian Gough; +Cc: Anton Fokin, gsl-discuss

At 10:20 AM 11/14/01 +0100, on the R-Quant mailing list 
( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smartquant/message/911 ) Anton Fokin wrote:
>we have GSL already included in R-Quant distribution.
>[omissis]
>I will update R-Quant GSL version to the newest one in the next release.

GSL uses the Gnu Public License (GPL). Therefore, if R-Quant includes GSL 
R-Quant should be GPL-ed too.
I might be missing some important point here, but I think R-Quant licence 
agreement ( http://www.smartquant.com/license.html ) is not GPL compatible.

Ferdinando Ametrano


^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* Re: [smartquant] Re: GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20         ` Brian Gough
  2001-11-08  7:38           ` Brian Gough
@ 2001-12-19 13:20           ` Anton Fokin
  2001-11-09  6:07             ` Anton Fokin
  2001-12-19 13:20             ` Brian Gough
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Anton Fokin @ 2001-12-19 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: smartquant; +Cc: gsl-discuss

Brian,

not exactly, see lines from GPL FAQ. Moreover, if I distribute libGSL under
GPL (or whatever compatible license) together with R-Quant kernel which is
not under GPL, would it solve your problem?

Cheers,
Anton

However, in many cases you can distribute the GPL-covered software alongside
your proprietary system. To do this validly, you must make sure that the free
and
non-free programs communicate at arms length, that they are not combined in a
way that would make them effectively a single program.

The difference between this and "incorporating" the GPL-covered software is
partly a matter of substance and partly form. The substantive part is this:
if the two
programs are combined so that they become effectively two parts of one
program, then you can't treat them as two separate programs. So the GPL has
to cover the
whole thing.

If the two programs remain well separated, like the compiler and the kernel,
or like an editor and a shell, then you can treat them as two separate
programs--but you
have to do it properly. The issue is simply one of form: how you describe
what you are doing. Why do we care about this? Because we want to make sure
the users
clearly understand the free status of the GPL-covered software in the
collection.

If people were to distribute GPL-covered software calling it "part of" a
system that users know is partly proprietary, users might be uncertain of
their rights regarding
the GNU software. But if they know that what they have received is a free
program plus another program, side by side, their rights will be clear.

Cheers,
Anton

Brian Gough wrote:

> Anton,
> I read the follow-up discussions on the smartquant list about GSL
> wrappers in R-quant.  I'm not sure what license these wrappers are
> under but if it is the R-quant license then there is a problem.
>
> Any distributed code which refers to GSL functions should be licensed
> to the end-user under the GPL.  The intent of the GPL is that we make
> our code free to other people if they do the same for us --- two-way
> cooperation.  The current R-quant license is not a free software
> license so there should not be anything distributed under that license
> which directly refers to GSL functions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Brian Gough
>
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^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
@ 2001-12-19 13:20 Ferdinando Ametrano
  2001-11-06  6:56 ` Ferdinando Ametrano
  2001-12-19 13:20 ` Ferdinando Ametrano
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Ferdinando Ametrano @ 2001-12-19 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: smartquant, Brian Gough; +Cc: Anton Fokin, gsl-discuss

At 10:20 AM 11/14/01 +0100, on the R-Quant mailing list 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smartquant/message/911) Anton Fokin wrote:
>we have GSL already included in R-Quant distribution.
>[omissis]
>I will update R-Quant GSL version to the newest one in the next release.

GSL uses the Gnu Public License (GPL). Therefore, if R-Quant includes GSL 
R-Quant should be GPL-ed too.
I might be missing some important point here, but I think R-Quant licence 
agreement (http://www.smartquant.com/license.html) is not GPL compatible.

Ferdinando Ametrano

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20 Ferdinando Ametrano
  2001-11-06  6:56 ` Ferdinando Ametrano
@ 2001-12-19 13:20 ` Ferdinando Ametrano
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Ferdinando Ametrano @ 2001-12-19 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: smartquant, Brian Gough; +Cc: Anton Fokin, gsl-discuss

At 10:20 AM 11/14/01 +0100, on the R-Quant mailing list 
( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smartquant/message/911 ) Anton Fokin wrote:
>we have GSL already included in R-Quant distribution.
>[omissis]
>I will update R-Quant GSL version to the newest one in the next release.

GSL uses the Gnu Public License (GPL). Therefore, if R-Quant includes GSL 
R-Quant should be GPL-ed too.
I might be missing some important point here, but I think R-Quant licence 
agreement ( http://www.smartquant.com/license.html ) is not GPL compatible.

Ferdinando Ametrano

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

* GPL license violation? [GNU Scientific Library]
  2001-12-19 13:20 Ferdinando Ametrano
@ 2001-11-06  6:56 ` Ferdinando Ametrano
  2001-12-19 13:20 ` Ferdinando Ametrano
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Ferdinando Ametrano @ 2001-11-06  6:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: smartquant, Brian Gough; +Cc: Anton Fokin, gsl-discuss

At 10:20 AM 11/14/01 +0100, on the R-Quant mailing list 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smartquant/message/911) Anton Fokin wrote:
>we have GSL already included in R-Quant distribution.
>[omissis]
>I will update R-Quant GSL version to the newest one in the next release.

GSL uses the Gnu Public License (GPL). Therefore, if R-Quant includes GSL 
R-Quant should be GPL-ed too.
I might be missing some important point here, but I think R-Quant licence 
agreement (http://www.smartquant.com/license.html) is not GPL compatible.

Ferdinando Ametrano

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread

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