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From: Giuliano Procida <gprocida@google.com>
To: Mark Wielaard <mark@klomp.org>
Cc: John Moon <quic_johmoo@quicinc.com>,
	 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	 Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	 Nicolas Schier <nicolas@fjasle.eu>,
	linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	 linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	 Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Bjorn Andersson <andersson@kernel.org>,
	Todd Kjos <tkjos@google.com>,
	 Matthias Maennich <maennich@google.com>,
	kernel-team@android.com, libabigail@sourceware.org,
	 Jordan Crouse <jorcrous@amazon.com>,
	Trilok Soni <quic_tsoni@quicinc.com>,
	 Satya Durga Srinivasu Prabhala <quic_satyap@quicinc.com>,
	Elliot Berman <quic_eberman@quicinc.com>,
	 Guru Das Srinagesh <quic_gurus@quicinc.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/2] check-uapi: Introduce check-uapi.sh
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 18:12:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGvU0HnepJwhUdMPDPY7q8nAnMNU=2_XaZHkPhFO0hmaseSPEQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <718c102205750a00b86e8d33748e9bfb3c485ee1.camel@klomp.org>

Hi all.

On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 15:37, Mark Wielaard <mark@klomp.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, 2023-04-12 at 09:37 -0700, John Moon via Libabigail wrote:
> > On 4/11/2023 11:14 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > > Would you find the tool more useful if it simply filtered out all instances
> > > > where the size of the type did not change? This would filter out the
> > > > following which the tool currently flags:
> > > >
> > > > - enum expansions
> > > > - reserved field expansions
> > > > - expansions of a struct with a flex array at the end
> > > > - type changes
> > > > - re-ordering of existing members
> > > > - ...others?
> > >
> > > Obviously not, as some of those are real breakages, and some are not at
> > > all.
> > >
> > > Please understand what is an abi breakage.  Adding new enums is not.
> > > Using a reserved field is not.  Reording existing members IS.
> > >
> >
> > Yes, understood that method would miss certain classes of breakages. I
> > was suggesting it as a way to improve the signal-to-noise ratio of the
> > tool since we don't currently have an algorithm for determining
> > breakages with 100% accuracy.
>
> Note that you can check the exit code of libabigail's abidiff to see
> whether something is an incompatible abi change or not, see:
> https://sourceware.org/libabigail/manual/abidiff.html#return-values
>
> You can also of course use suppressions to instruct abidiff to avoid
> reporting changes involving certain ABI artifacts:
> https://sourceware.org/libabigail/manual/libabigail-concepts.html#suppr-spec-label

libabigail's abidiff already hides certain differences by default.
You can turn this behaviour off with --harmless.

Note that abidiff without --harmless treats certain ABI differences
asymmetrically,
hiding them one way around but not the other.

The ABI diff tool I designed for Android always treats differences symmetrically
and will only suppress certain kinds of diff if specially requested
(which we don't
do any more in production). [Technically, we also ignore qualifier changes on
function parameter and return types, but we achieve that by stripping them out
unconditionally.]

Once we get around to UAPI monitoring, we'll do the same there. We can always
review the SNR later.

Regards,
Giuliano.

> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-13 17:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-07 20:34 [PATCH v5 0/2] Validating UAPI backwards compatibility John Moon
2023-04-07 20:34 ` [PATCH v5 1/2] check-uapi: Introduce check-uapi.sh John Moon
2023-04-10 10:03   ` Masahiro Yamada
2023-04-10 18:45     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-04-10 23:32       ` John Moon
2023-04-11  6:34         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-04-11 18:36           ` John Moon
2023-04-12  6:14             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-04-12 16:37               ` John Moon
2023-04-12 16:43                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-04-13 17:07                   ` John Moon
2023-04-13 18:22                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-04-13 14:37                 ` Mark Wielaard
2023-04-13 17:12                   ` Giuliano Procida [this message]
2023-04-13 17:15                   ` John Moon
2023-04-13 17:03     ` Nicolas Schier
2023-04-13 17:33       ` John Moon
2023-07-20 16:10   ` [PATCH] scripts/check-uapi.sh: add stgdiff support Giuliano Procida
2023-07-22 19:40     ` Trilok Soni
2023-04-07 20:34 ` [PATCH v5 2/2] docs: dev-tools: Add UAPI checker documentation John Moon

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