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From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
To: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-man@vger.kernel.org, "Alejandro Colomar" <alx@kernel.org>,
	GCC <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>, glibc <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	"Bastien Roucariès" <rouca@debian.org>,
	"Stefan Puiu" <stefan.puiu@gmail.com>,
	"Igor Sysoev" <igor@sysoev.ru>,
	"Andrew Clayton" <a.clayton@nginx.com>,
	"Richard Biener" <richard.guenther@gmail.com>,
	"Zack Weinberg" <zack@owlfolio.org>,
	"Florian Weimer" <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	"Joseph Myers" <joseph@codesourcery.com>,
	"Jakub Jelinek" <jakub@redhat.com>,
	"Eric Blake" <eblake@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sockaddr.3type: BUGS: Document that libc should be fixed using a union
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 19:15:47 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230206001546.GG3298@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <29bb163d-ab7b-2fb7-a1c8-cfd720984a8d@gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 06, 2023 at 12:59:48AM +0100, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> Hi Rich,
> 
> On 2/6/23 00:43, Rich Felker wrote:
> >On Sun, Feb 05, 2023 at 04:28:36PM +0100, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> >>As discussed before, and Bastien and I seem to agree, ideally we should
> >>define the following types:
> >>
> >>     struct sockaddr_storage {
> >>         union {
> >>             struct {
> >>                 sa_family_t      ss_family;
> >>             };
> >>             struct sockaddr_in   sin;
> >>             struct sockaddr_in6  sin6;
> >>             struct sockaddr_un   sun;
> >>             // ...
> >>         };
> >>     };
> >
> >AFAIK this is not permitted because of namespace. sys/socket.h is not
> >permitted to expose sockaddr_{in,in6,un}. And if you defined
> >differently-tagged structures with the same contents, it would not do
> >any good; accessing the members with the wrong-tagged struct type
> >would still be UB.
> 
> I'm not sure.  ISO C has that restriction that a header can only
> define what the standard says it defines.  However, does POSIX have
> the same restriction?

Yes.

> Doesn't POSIX allow including any other POSIX
> headers (maybe it does, but IIRC it doesn't)?

Not except where it's explicitly allowed.

> Since <sys/socket.h>
> is just a POSIX thing, that's the only standard we should care
> about.

The relevant text is here:

https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/V2_chap02.html#tag_15_02_02

> >Really, there is no action needed here. Nothing is wrong on libc's
> >side. The problem is just that the type is *not useful for anything*
> >and should not be used except in the context of sizeof, which is
> >purely a documentation issue.
> >
> >>     struct [[deprecated]] sockaddr {
> >>         sa_family_t              sa_family;
> >>     };
> >>
> >>     union [[gnu::transparent_union]] sockaddr_ptr {
> >>         struct sockaddr_storage  *ss;
> >>         struct sockaddr          *sa;
> >>     };
> >>
> >>And then we could define APIs like:
> >>
> >>     int bind(int sockfd, const union sockaddr_ptr *addr, socklen_t len);
> >
> >You cannot just change APIs because you wish they were different.
> 
> This API is compatible.  In fact, it already is now like that:

Unless I'm mistaken, it's not. The function pointer the name 'bind'
produces will not have the right type, and will have problems being
stored in a function pointer object with the right type, as well as
wrong results with _Generic, etc. Only plain calls to it are
unaffected.

> alx@debian:/usr/include$ grepc bind
> ./x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/socket.h:112:
> extern int bind (int __fd, __CONST_SOCKADDR_ARG __addr, socklen_t __len)
>      __THROW;
> 
> alx@debian:/usr/include$ sed -n 83,84p x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/socket.h
> typedef union { __SOCKADDR_ALLTYPES
> 	      } __CONST_SOCKADDR_ARG __attribute__ ((__transparent_union__));
> 
> 
> >Ideally bind, etc. would just take void *,
> 
> void * is a bit too much unsafe.  GCC's transparent unions are a
> restricted catch-many pointer, rather than a catch-all.
> 
> >which is what the struct
> >sockaddr * is being used as.
> 
> And in fact, void* wouldn't sole the union problem.
> 
> >But they don't, so callers have to cast.
> 
> With the current glibc implementation, you don't need to cast,
> thanks to the [[gnu::transparent_union]]:

This is just facilitating writing non-portable code, since correct
code written to the spec *does* have to cast.

> >It's ugly but it's really not a big deal. Much less of a big deal than
> >breaking the interface because you think it would look prettier if it
> >had been done differently.
> 
> It's not breaking the interface; not in GNU C.  Current code still
> falls back to the a POSIX-complying UB-invoking interface when you
> don't ask for _GNU_SOURCE, but we can keep that.  I'm only asking
> that we fix the GNU C version.  Moreover, in POSIX-complying code,
> you can keep the interface pointer, since you'll need to cast
> anyway, but can still make sockaddr_storage be implemented through
> an anonymous union.

If it's only for _GNU_SOURCE it's probably mostly harmless, and
allowable to violate the namespace rules, but also not terribly
helpful...

Rich

  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-06  0:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-05 15:28 Alejandro Colomar
2023-02-05 15:31 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-02-06  6:02   ` Xi Ruoyao
2023-02-06 11:20     ` Rich Felker
2023-02-06 11:55     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-02-06 13:38       ` Rich Felker
2023-02-06 14:11         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-02-06 17:21           ` Zack Weinberg
2023-02-06 17:48           ` Rich Felker
2023-02-05 23:43 ` Rich Felker
2023-02-05 23:59   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-02-06  0:15     ` Rich Felker [this message]
2023-02-06 18:45 ` Eric Blake
2023-02-07  1:21   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-03-18  7:54   ` roucaries bastien
2023-03-20 10:49     ` Alejandro Colomar

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