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From: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
To: Xi Ruoyao <xry111@xry111.site>,
	linux-man@vger.kernel.org, Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
Cc: "Alejandro Colomar" <alx@kernel.org>, GCC <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>,
	glibc <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	"Bastien Roucariès" <rouca@debian.org>,
	"Stefan Puiu" <stefan.puiu@gmail.com>,
	"Igor Sysoev" <igor@sysoev.ru>,
	"Andrew Clayton" <a.clayton@nginx.com>,
	"Richard Biener" <richard.guenther@gmail.com>,
	"Zack Weinberg" <zack@owlfolio.org>,
	"Florian Weimer" <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	"Joseph Myers" <joseph@codesourcery.com>,
	"Jakub Jelinek" <jakub@redhat.com>,
	"Eric Blake" <eblake@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sockaddr.3type: BUGS: Document that libc should be fixed using a union
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 12:55:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ae73337b-7b37-9c94-e5e0-d6ebbf2c7ffb@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0a9306fa37edeb4a989b2929de67fee8606a3d8a.camel@xry111.site>


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Hi Xi,

On 2/6/23 07:02, Xi Ruoyao wrote:
> On Sun, 2023-02-05 at 16:31 +0100, Alejandro Colomar via Libc-alpha wrote:
> 
>> The only correct way to use  different  types  in  an  API  is
>> through  a  union.
> 
> I don't think this statement is true (in general).  Technically we can
> write something like this:
> 
> struct sockaddr { ... };
> struct sockaddr_in { ... };
> struct sockaddr_in6 { ... };
> 
> int bind(int fd, const struct sockaddr *addr, socklen_t addrlen)
> {
>      if (addrlen < sizeof(struct sockaddr) {
>          errno = EINVAL;
>          return -1;
>      }
> 
>      /* cannot use "addr->sa_family" directly: it will be an UB */
>      sa_family_t sa_family;
>      memcpy(&sa_family, addr, sizeof(sa_family));
> 
>      switch (sa_family) {
>          case AF_INET:
>              return _do_bind_in(fd, (struct sockaddr_in *)addr, addrlen);
>          case AF_INET6:
>              return _do_bind_in6(fd, (struct sockaddr_in6 *)addr, addrlen);
>          /* more cases follow here */
>          default:
>              errno = EINVAL;
>              return -1;
>          }
>      }
> }
> 
> In this way we can use sockaddr_{in,in6,...} for bind() safely, as long
> as we can distinguish the "real" type of addr using the leading byte
> sequence (and the caller uses it carefully).

True; I hadn't thought of memcpy()ing the first member of the struct.  That's 
valid; overcomplicated but valid.

> 
> But obviously sockaddr_storage can't be distinguished here, so casting a
> struct sockaddr_stroage * to struct sockaddr * and passing it to bind()
> will still be wrong (unless we make sockaddr_storage an union or add
> [[gnu::may_alias]]).

But as you say, it still leaves us with a question.  What should one declare for 
passing to the standard APIs?  It can only be a union.  So we can either tell 
users to each create their own union, or we can make sockaddr_storage be a 
union.  The latter slightly violates POSIX due to namespaces as Rich noted, but 
that's a minor violation, and POSIX can be changed to accomodate for that.

If we change sockaddr_storage to be a union, we have two benefits:

-  Old code which uses sockaddr_storage is made conforming (non-UB) without 
modifying the source.
-  Users can inspect the structures.

If we don't, and deprecate sockaddr_storage, we should tell users to declare 
their own unions _and_ treat all these structures as black boxes which can only 
be read by memcpy()ing their contents.

Which of the two do we want?  I think fixing sockaddr_storage is simpler, and 
allows existing practice of reading these structures.  The other one just makes 
(or rather acknowledges, since it has always been like that) a lot of existing 
code invoke UB, and acknowledges that you can't safely use these structures 
without a lot of workarounding.

Cheers,

Alex

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-02-06 11:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-05 15:28 Alejandro Colomar
2023-02-05 15:31 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-02-06  6:02   ` Xi Ruoyao
2023-02-06 11:20     ` Rich Felker
2023-02-06 11:55     ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2023-02-06 13:38       ` Rich Felker
2023-02-06 14:11         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-02-06 17:21           ` Zack Weinberg
2023-02-06 17:48           ` Rich Felker
2023-02-05 23:43 ` Rich Felker
2023-02-05 23:59   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-02-06  0:15     ` Rich Felker
2023-02-06 18:45 ` Eric Blake
2023-02-07  1:21   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-03-18  7:54   ` roucaries bastien
2023-03-20 10:49     ` Alejandro Colomar

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