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From: Noah Goldstein <goldstein.w.n@gmail.com>
To: Adhemerval Zanella <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>
Cc: Patrick McGehearty <patrick.mcgehearty@oracle.com>,
	 GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] x86-64: Optimize bzero
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 06:41:07 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFUsyfJbQsVbKMg+Qgc4PanuZpkd6yB084KGKiZiy0pGGVNYXw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ab078f53-3014-6287-9cb1-27316b91f4c0@linaro.org>

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:07 AM Adhemerval Zanella
<adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 12/02/2022 20:46, Noah Goldstein wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 7:01 AM Adhemerval Zanella via Libc-alpha
> > <libc-alpha@sourceware.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/02/2022 18:07, Patrick McGehearty via Libc-alpha wrote:
> >>> Just as another point of information, Solaris libc implemented
> >>> bzero as moving arguments around appropriately then jumping to
> >>> memset. Noone noticed enough to file a complaint. Of course,
> >>> short fixed-length bzero was handled with in line stores of zero
> >>> by the compiler. For long vector bzeroing, the overhead was
> >>> negligible.
> >>>
> >>> When certain Sparc hardware implementations provided faster methods
> >>> for zeroing a cache line at a time on cache line boundaries,
> >>> memset added a single test for zero ifandonlyif the length of code
> >>> to memset was over a threshold that seemed likely to make it
> >>> worthwhile to use the faster method. The principal advantage
> >>> of the fast zeroing operation is that it did not require data
> >>> to move from memory to cache before writing zeros to memory,
> >>> protecting cache locality in the face of large block zeroing.
> >>> I was responsible for much of that optimization effort.
> >>> Whether that optimization was really worth it is open for debate
> >>> for a variety of reasons that I won't go into just now.
> >>
> >> Afaik this is pretty much what optimized memset implementations
> >> does, if architecture allows it. For instance, aarch64 uses
> >> 'dc zva' for sizes larger than 256 and powerpc uses dcbz with a
> >> similar strategy.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Apps still used bzero or memset(target,zero,length) according to
> >>> their preferences, but the code was unified under memset.
> >>>
> >>> I am inclined to agree with keeping bzero in the API for
> >>> compatibility with old code/old binaries/old programmers. :-)
> >>
> >> The main driver to remove the bzero internal implementation is just
> >> the *currently* gcc just do not generate bzero calls as default
> >> (I couldn't find a single binary that calls bzero in my system).
> >
> > Does it make sense then to add '__memsetzero' so that we can have
> > a function optimized for setting zero?
>
> Will it be really a huge gain instead of a microoptimization that will
> just a bunch of more ifunc variants along with the maintenance cost
> associated with this?
Is there any way it can be setup so that one C impl can cover all the
arch that want to just leave `__memsetzero` as an alias to `memset`?
I know they have incompatible interfaces that make it hard but would
a weak static inline in string.h work?

For some of the shorter control flows (which are generally small sizes
and very hot) we saw reasonable benefits on x86_64.

The most significant was the EVEX/AVX2 [32, 64] case where it net
us ~25% throughput. This is a pretty hot set value so it may be worth it.

>
> My understanding is __memsetzero would maybe yield some gain in the
> store mask generation (some architecture might have a zero register
> or some instruction to generate one), however it would require to
> use the same strategy as memset to use specific architecture instruction
> that optimize cache utilization (dc zva, dcbz).
>
> So it would mostly require a lot of arch-specific code to to share
> the memset code with __memsetzero (to avoid increasing code size),
> so I am not sure if this is really a gain in the long term.

It's worth noting that between the two `memset` is the cold function
and `__memsetzero` is the hot one. Based on profiles of GCC11 and
Python3.7.7 setting zero covers 99%+ cases.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-14 12:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-08 22:43 H.J. Lu
2022-02-08 23:56 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-02-09 11:41 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-02-09 22:14   ` Noah Goldstein
2022-02-10 12:35     ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-02-10 13:01       ` Wilco Dijkstra
2022-02-10 13:10         ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-02-10 13:16           ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-02-10 13:17           ` Wilco Dijkstra
2022-02-10 13:22             ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-02-10 17:50               ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2022-02-10 19:19                 ` Wilco Dijkstra
2022-02-10 20:27                   ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2022-02-10 20:42                     ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-02-10 21:07                       ` Patrick McGehearty
2022-02-11 13:01                         ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-02-12 23:46                           ` Noah Goldstein
2022-02-14 12:07                             ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-02-14 12:41                               ` Noah Goldstein [this message]
2022-02-14 14:07                                 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-02-14 15:03                                   ` H.J. Lu
2022-05-04  6:35                                     ` Sunil Pandey
2022-05-04 12:52                                       ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-05-04 14:50                                         ` H.J. Lu
2022-05-04 14:54                                           ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-02-10 22:00                       ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2022-02-10 19:42                 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-02-10 18:28         ` Noah Goldstein
2022-02-10 18:35         ` Noah Goldstein
2022-02-15 13:38 Wilco Dijkstra
2022-02-23  8:12 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-02-23 12:09   ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-02-24 13:16   ` Wilco Dijkstra
2022-02-24 15:48     ` H.J. Lu
2022-02-24 22:58     ` Noah Goldstein
2022-02-24 23:21       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-02-25 17:37         ` Noah Goldstein
2022-02-25 13:51       ` Wilco Dijkstra
2022-02-25 17:35         ` Noah Goldstein

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