From: Noah Goldstein <goldstein.w.n@gmail.com>
To: Richard Biener <richard.guenther@gmail.com>
Cc: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
Richard Biener via Gcc <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>,
GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>,
libc-coord@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: [libc-coord] Add new ABI '__memcmpeq()' to libc
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 12:40:15 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFUsyfKWs9vtZ=Z0bNAiStfmfxCUaMRtgPPPjGCXjXqLapAMZg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFiYyc3m8VM37Y=9EidVO7pT1GitLKRFPA8=c7FXv2QaFqs9ow@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 3:32 AM Richard Biener via Gcc <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 10:08 AM Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > * Richard Biener via Gcc:
> >
> > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 10:36 PM Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, 16 Sep 2021, Chris Kennelly wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > In terms of relying on the feature: If __memcmpeq is ever exposed
> as an a
> > >> > simple alias for memcmp (since the notes mention that it's a valid
> > >> > implementation), does that open up the possibility of depending on
> the
> > >> > bcmp-like behavior that we were trying to escape?
> > >>
> > >> The proposal is as an ABI only (compilers would generate calls to
> > >> __memcmpeq from boolean uses of memcmp, users wouldn't write calls to
> > >> __memcmpeq directly, __memcmpeq wouldn't be declared in installed libc
> > >> headers). If such dependence arises, that would suggest a compiler
> bug
> > >> wrongly generating such calls for non-boolean memcmp uses.
> > >
> > > So the compiler would emit a call to __memcmpeq and at the same time
> > > emit a weak alias of __memcmpeq to memcmp so the program links
> > > when the libc version targeted does not provide __memcmpeq? Or would
> > > glibc through <string.h> magically communicate the availability of the
> new ABI
> > > without actually declaring the function?
> >
> > I do not think ELF provides that capability.
>
> I guess a weak forwarder should do the trick at the cost of a jmp.
>
Where would the jmp be and under what conditions? Is there no way to achieve
this with zero overhead?
>
> > We can add a declaration to <string.h> to communicate the availability.
> > I think this is how glibc (and other libcs) communicate the availability
> > of non-standard interfaces to GCC.
>
> OK, I guess that's fine.
>
> > > (I'm not sure whether a GCC build-time decision via configure is the
> > > very best idea)
> >
> > If libstdc++ or libgcc_s have a symbol dependency on glibc 2.35 for
> > other (unrelated) reasons, would the build-time dependency be less of a
> > concern? Because another such dependency exists?
>
> Not sure, I was thinking that we'd need to re-compile GCC when we
> upgrade glibc to make use of the feature.
>
> But then being able to run an executable on a system that does not
> provide the ABI but a compatible one (memcmp) might be a nice
> thing.
>
> Richard.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Florian
> >
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-09-17 17:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-09-16 17:02 Noah Goldstein
2021-09-16 17:55 ` [libc-coord] " Chris Kennelly
2021-09-16 18:31 ` Noah Goldstein
2021-09-16 20:32 ` Chris Kennelly
2021-09-16 20:35 ` Joseph Myers
2021-09-16 20:55 ` enh
2021-09-17 7:43 ` Richard Biener
2021-09-17 8:08 ` Florian Weimer
2021-09-17 8:31 ` Richard Biener
2021-09-17 8:37 ` Florian Weimer
2021-09-17 9:30 ` Richard Biener
2021-09-17 17:40 ` Noah Goldstein [this message]
2021-09-17 9:12 ` Jakub Jelinek
2021-09-17 16:55 ` Martin Sebor
2021-09-17 14:19 ` Joseph Myers
2021-09-17 14:26 ` Florian Weimer
2021-09-21 19:53 ` Noah Goldstein
2021-09-22 17:46 ` Christoph Müllner
2021-09-22 18:15 ` Noah Goldstein
2021-09-16 21:27 ` James Y Knight
2021-09-16 21:42 ` Joseph Myers
2021-09-16 21:50 ` enh
2021-09-16 21:59 ` Noah Goldstein
2021-09-16 22:17 ` Chris Kennelly
2021-09-16 22:36 ` Joseph Myers
2021-09-16 23:24 ` Noah Goldstein
2021-09-18 1:36 ` James Y Knight
2021-10-26 22:47 ` Noah Goldstein
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