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From: Richard Earnshaw <Richard.Earnshaw@foss.arm.com>
To: Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh@gotplt.org>,
	Nick Clifton <nickc@redhat.com>,
	Binutils <binutils@sourceware.org>
Cc: "gdb@sourceware.org" <gdb@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: RFC: Adding a SECURITY.md document to the Binutils
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 13:37:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <eaa76d6a-84eb-fa79-5a1a-4953e02ccabc@foss.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7b6b10f8-e480-8efa-fbb8-4fc4bf2cf356@gotplt.org>



On 13/04/2023 12:53, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
> On 2023-04-13 06:25, Richard Earnshaw wrote:
>> So mention of networks reminds me that you don't always need privilege 
>> escalation to have a security compromise - simply transmitting a file 
>> to a third party, if that wasn't intended, would be enough.
> 
> None of the tools can guarantee this with untrusted input when executing 
> as a local user; this is why the last bit of sandboxing to analyze 
> untrusted input comes in.
> 
>> So I would suggest:
>>
>> A security bug is one that threatens the security of a system or 
>> network, or might compromise the security of data stored on it.  In 
>> the context of GNU Binutils there are two ways in which such bugs 
>> might occur.  In the first, the programs themselves might be tricked 
>> into a direct compromise of security.  In the second, the tools might 
>> introduce 
> 
> "Direct compromise of security" is essentially what we're trying to 
> define more strongly to prevent spurious CVE assignments.

If a user can be tricked into opening a corrupt file (eg object file) 
and that causes a buffer overflow that's then used to send another file 
to a third party, you can't really pretend that's not a direct 
compromise of security.  We live in the real world and this sort of 
threat is real.

> 
>> a vulnerability in the generated output that was not already present 
>> in the files used as input.
>>
>> Note: none of the programs in the GNU Binutils suite need elevated 
>> system privileges (eg setuid) to operate and we recommend that users 
>> do not use them from accounts where such privileges are automatically 
>> available.
> 
> We did have CVE-2021-20197, so it's not always setuid.


Which is exactly the sort of scenario I was trying to exclude by this 
statement - don't run the tools with elevated privileges.

R.

> 
> Thanks,
> Sid

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-13 12:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-07  8:42 Nick Clifton
2023-04-07 10:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-11 13:29   ` Nick Clifton
2023-04-11 14:23     ` Simon Marchi
2023-04-11 15:00       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-11 16:22         ` Nick Clifton
2023-04-11 16:32           ` Matt Rice
2023-04-11 18:18         ` J.W. Jagersma
2023-04-12  8:43           ` Nick Clifton
2023-04-08  6:30 ` Jan Beulich
2023-04-10 18:30 ` John Baldwin
2023-04-20 15:56   ` Nick Clifton
2023-04-11 19:45 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2023-04-12 16:02 ` Richard Earnshaw
2023-04-12 16:26   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-12 16:52     ` Richard Earnshaw
2023-04-12 16:58       ` Paul Koning
2023-04-12 17:10       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13  3:51         ` Alan Modra
2023-04-13  4:25           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13  5:16             ` Alan Modra
2023-04-13 12:00               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 10:25         ` Richard Earnshaw
2023-04-13 11:53           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 12:37             ` Richard Earnshaw [this message]
2023-04-13 12:54               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 13:11                 ` Richard Earnshaw
2023-04-13 13:35                   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 13:40                     ` Richard Earnshaw
2023-04-13 13:56                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 14:50                         ` Richard Earnshaw
2023-04-13 15:02                           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 15:05                             ` Richard Earnshaw
2023-04-13 16:42                               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-14  9:52                                 ` Richard Earnshaw
2023-04-14 12:43                                   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-14 12:49                                     ` Richard Earnshaw
2023-04-14 13:13                                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 15:08                             ` Paul Koning
2023-04-13 16:02                               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 16:49                                 ` Paul Koning
2023-04-13 17:00                                   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 17:05                                     ` Paul Koning
2023-04-13 17:29                                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 17:37                                         ` Paul Koning
2023-04-13 18:16                                           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-14 17:37                                     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2023-04-14 18:27                                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-14 20:46                                         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2023-04-14 21:24                                           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-17 15:31                                           ` Michael Matz
2023-04-17 19:55                                             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2023-04-14 19:45                                       ` DJ Delorie
2023-04-14 20:49                                         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2023-04-15  6:41                                           ` Xi Ruoyao
2023-04-13 16:06                               ` Richard Earnshaw

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