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From: Rhys Ulerich <rhys.ulerich@gmail.com>
To: gsl-discuss@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: GSL 2.0 roadmap (one man's view)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:31:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4a00655d0909200830j76902792pf5a9698611743f32@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0909200907570.8848@lilith>

> a) the actual data in any tensor form be stored in a single contiguous
> vector whose address is available to the user and not hidden inside an
> opaque data object;
> b) the tensor itself be a **...*pointer, cast to the desired
> type, packed with the offsets into this vector

Given both (a) and (b) everyone pays storage overhead for indexing
twice.  The first time is to store the leading dimensions for (a)-like
access, and the second time is to store the pointers-to-pointers for
(b)-like access.

Since (a) already exists today, if you want (b) it can be provided as
a view.  Your cost will be storage overhead for pointers-to-pointers,
dereferencing delay, and potential cache misses if the
pointers-to-pointers for (b)-like access are far away from (a)'s data.

I think those that want (b) should have a view that accomplishes it,
but that people using (a) only shouldn't pay for the overhead.  I
believe these are the reasons that both the C and Fortran numerics
communities pretty consistently stay towards (a)-like storage under
the covers.

Also, to be fair to the current design, gsl_matrix and gsl_vector are
structs, but they certainly aren't opaque.

- Rhys

  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-20 15:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-30 17:07 ode-initval implicit solvers and development Tuomo Keskitalo
2008-10-01 18:29 ` Brian Gough
2008-10-09 13:22 ` Brian Gough
2008-11-02 17:35 ` Tuomo Keskitalo
2008-11-03 18:09   ` Brian Gough
2009-01-24 11:52     ` Tuomo Keskitalo
2009-02-01 17:01       ` Brian Gough
2009-02-02 17:05         ` Tuomo Keskitalo
2009-03-01 14:37           ` Tuomo Keskitalo
2009-03-03 16:34             ` Brian Gough
2009-03-05 19:47               ` Tuomo Keskitalo
2009-03-05 19:54                 ` Heikki Orsila
2009-03-06 20:03                 ` Brian Gough
2009-04-05 12:28             ` Tuomo Keskitalo
2009-05-01 14:05             ` Tuomo Keskitalo
2009-05-04 11:23               ` Brian Gough
2009-05-08 10:51               ` Brian Gough
2009-08-06 13:51                 ` GSL 2.0 roadmap Tuomo Keskitalo
2009-08-21 20:42                   ` Brian Gough
2009-08-27 11:42                     ` Tuomo Keskitalo
2009-08-27 12:51                       ` Robert G. Brown
2009-08-28 13:57                         ` Jordi Burguet Castell
2009-08-27 17:13                           ` Robert G. Brown
2009-08-28 13:58                       ` Brian Gough
2009-08-27 23:10                     ` Gerard Jungman
2009-08-27 23:13                       ` GSL 2.0 roadmap (one man's view) Gerard Jungman
2009-08-28 13:58                         ` Brian Gough
2009-09-16  0:43                           ` Gerard Jungman
2009-09-03 19:37                         ` Brian Gough
2009-09-16  0:44                           ` Gerard Jungman
2009-09-07 15:10                         ` Brian Gough
2009-09-16  0:45                           ` Gerard Jungman
2009-09-20  9:36                             ` Tuomo Keskitalo
2009-09-20 13:23                               ` Robert G. Brown
2009-09-20 15:31                                 ` Rhys Ulerich [this message]
2009-09-20 16:19                                   ` Robert G. Brown
2009-09-21 15:13                                   ` Brian Gough
2009-09-20 15:08                               ` Rhys Ulerich
2009-09-21 12:08                               ` Brian Gough
2009-09-07 15:10                         ` Brian Gough
2009-09-07 15:34                           ` Rhys Ulerich
2009-09-07 18:21                             ` Robert G. Brown
2009-09-16  0:47                           ` Gerard Jungman
2009-09-18  3:51                             ` column-major Z F
2009-09-21 12:08                               ` column-major Brian Gough
2009-09-07 15:10                         ` GSL 2.0 roadmap (one man's view) Brian Gough
2009-09-16  0:44                           ` Gerard Jungman
2009-09-17 20:12                             ` Brian Gough
     [not found]                           ` <645d17210909090818u474f32f0q19a6334578b9f02c@mail.gmail.com>
2009-09-17 19:14                             ` Brian Gough
2009-09-07 15:10                         ` Brian Gough
2009-09-16  0:46                           ` Gerard Jungman
2009-09-17 20:12                             ` Brian Gough
2009-09-07 15:10                         ` Brian Gough
2009-09-16  0:46                           ` Gerard Jungman
2009-09-16  2:48                             ` Robert G. Brown
2009-09-17 19:14                             ` Brian Gough
2009-09-07 15:10                         ` Brian Gough
2009-09-16  0:47                           ` Gerard Jungman
2009-09-27  8:03                             ` new double precision data structure? Tuomo Keskitalo
2009-09-28  8:44                               ` James Bergstra
2009-09-28 15:48                                 ` Tuomo Keskitalo
2009-10-16 13:59                                   ` Brian Gough
2009-09-29 18:38                               ` Gerard Jungman
2009-08-28 13:58                     ` GSL 2.0 roadmap Brian Gough

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