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From: Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak@lingonborough.com>
To: Egor Kobylkin <egor@kobylkin.com>,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org, libc-locales@sourceware.org,
	"Dmitry V. Levin" <ldv@altlinux.org>,
	Marko Myllynen <myllynen@redhat.com>,
	mfabian@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872]
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 00:06:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <152688221.674690.1545264335649@poczta.nazwa.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e20793e0-2ac1-3b20-3b2e-4d4a9e3ad4ab@kobylkin.com>

20.12.2018 00:02 Egor Kobylkin <egor@kobylkin.com> wrote:
> [...]
> But I'm not sure anymore that inserting a translit table into every
> locale is the right solution for ASCII problem. Especially because
> distributions may not include any locale but C.

My question (and my doubt) is whether they want to support Cyrillic
transliteration in that case.  If yes then maybe they also want more
transliterations as well.  I'm not telling we will include them now,
just wonder what is the reason why they were not yet included in C.

> [...]
> Actually there are quite a few letters already transliterated in
> locale/C-translit.h.in.

Sure, my list was not complete and I did not mean there are no Latin
characters supported.  But there is nothing from the long list of
á, à, ä, ã, ǎ, å, ā, ą, ạ, ȧ, ć, ĉ, ç, é, è, ë, ...

> (Note the CAPCAP transliteration style for the
> capitals, i.e. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AE is mapped to AE, not to Ae.)

Sure, because they are ligatures: "A" + "E", not "A" + "e".  Note that
where three variants of ligatures exist, like "LJ", "Lj", "lj" then
all three are supported.

> [ cut the list ]
> 
> > [...]
> > I understand your aim and I agree to support ASCII.  Our disagreements
> > are:
> > 
> > * whether to support conversion Cyrillic -> extended Latin as well,
> no contest on my side
> > * which standard to implement,
> no contest on my side
> > * what to do if the standard is ambiguous or if some details cannot be
> >   implemented for technical reasons.
> no contest on my side either

Good, three steps forward.

Regards,

Rafal

  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-20  0:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <41532e13-a63d-5df1-ab37-05eb4d6c8d0a@kobylkin.com>
     [not found] ` <20180412224352.GB2911@altlinux.org>
2018-07-17 19:34   ` SUBJECT: [PATCH] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-07-17 19:41     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-07-17 19:50       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-07-17 19:59         ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-08-06 19:00   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] re-submission for 2.29 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-03  8:28     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-03  9:20       ` Keld Simonsen
2018-10-03  9:32         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-05  8:44           ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-05  9:20           ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-05 10:37             ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-08 22:05               ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-08 22:52                 ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 21:43                   ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-09 16:10                 ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-09 16:22                   ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 16:49                     ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-09 22:09                   ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-10 11:21                     ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-11 10:10                   ` Marko Myllynen
     [not found]             ` <deacdf31-d0bb-a92d-1de3-934d6b4cb158@kobylkin.com>
2018-10-05 11:54               ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-05 12:01                 ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-05 12:21                   ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-05 20:47                     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-08 12:41                       ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-08 22:23                         ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-08 23:36                           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 13:18                             ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 18:34                               ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 22:18                                 ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-09 22:40                                   ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 22:43                                     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-10 11:23                                       ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-10 12:20                                         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-10 12:34                                           ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-10 22:29   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] v2 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 10:00     ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-11 11:05     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-11 13:10       ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-11 13:51       ` Volodymyr Lisivka
2018-10-11 14:59       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 21:31         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 15:05       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 15:45   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] v3 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 21:33   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] v4 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-12 14:06   ` [PATCH v5] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-13  1:01     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-13 16:58       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-15 11:05         ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-15 11:55           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-23 23:08         ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-17 14:17   ` [PATCH v6] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-01 22:52   ` [PATCH v7] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-02  0:01   ` [PATCH v8] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-02 22:22     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-11-02 23:27       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-14 21:25   ` [PATCH v9] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-16 22:17     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-11-17 18:35       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-19  7:14         ` Marko Myllynen
2018-11-19  9:22           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-19 19:36             ` Marko Myllynen
2018-12-01 22:09           ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-01 22:53             ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-03 22:19             ` Egor Kobylkin
     [not found]               ` <1361059722.707244.1544231740358@poczta.nazwa.pl>
2018-12-10 21:20                 ` Marko Myllynen
2018-12-19 22:26                   ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-19 22:48                     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-19 23:51                       ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-11-19 11:11   ` [PATCH v10] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-07 23:35     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-08 21:51       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-19 22:42         ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-19 23:02           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-20  0:06             ` Rafal Luzynski [this message]
2018-12-08 22:28   ` [PATCH v11] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration " Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-19 23:16     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-26 10:07       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-12-26 12:14         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-27  1:31           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-12-27 11:31             ` Rafal Luzynski
2019-01-02 18:39   ` [PATCH v12] " Egor Kobylkin
2019-01-05 14:36     ` Rafal Luzynski
2019-01-05 21:13       ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-01-07 20:37         ` Marko Myllynen
2019-01-09  0:46           ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-01-09 20:03             ` Marko Myllynen
2019-02-04  7:14               ` [PATCH v12] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration [BZ #2872] ping for 2.30 Egor Kobylkin
2019-02-14 16:48                 ` Marko Myllynen
2019-03-04 22:12                   ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-03-11 13:59                     ` PING " Egor Kobylkin
2019-03-14 19:49                       ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-19 22:24                   ` Rafal Luzynski
     [not found]                     ` <5ELixS9SQ0DW4mlvswp96ASpLobBabU9KQ6zOTH-Udrb34mABhcqiPERpBZfPWZ9F77s8XNmiLIAq9UWu0AjLFFdjOz_FZVU5_xF-SiQkrw=@kobylkin.com>
2019-04-27  2:51                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2019-04-27  7:34                         ` Diego (Egor) Kobylkin
2019-04-09  1:04     ` [PATCH v12] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration [BZ #2872] Carlos O'Donell
2019-03-19 10:39   ` ping " Egor Kobylkin
2019-03-28 16:20     ` [PING^4][PATCH " Marko Myllynen
2019-04-04 19:44     ` [PING^5][PATCH " Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-06  1:36       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2019-04-16  7:15     ` [PING^6][PATCH " Marko Myllynen
2019-04-16 13:17       ` Carlos O'Donell
2019-04-16 17:07         ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-16 17:58           ` Carlos O'Donell
2019-04-16 18:41             ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-16 19:06               ` Carlos O'Donell
2019-05-10 12:19                 ` Marko Myllynen

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