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From: Egor Kobylkin <egor@kobylkin.com>
To: Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak@lingonborough.com>,
	Marko Myllynen <myllynen@redhat.com>,
	Keld Simonsen <keld@keldix.com>
Cc: libc-alpha@sourceware.org, libc-locales@sourceware.org,
	"Dmitry V. Levin" <ldv@altlinux.org>,
	Volodymyr Lisivka <vlisivka@gmail.com>,
	Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>, Max Kutny <mkutny@gmail.com>,
	danilo@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] re-submission for 2.29
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 23:36:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4db1ce91-3184-cf45-01c5-80667fc4cf65@kobylkin.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <246390048.827062.1539037422672@poczta.nazwa.pl>

On 09.10.2018 00:23, Rafal Luzynski wrote:
> 8.10.2018 14:40 Marko Myllynen <myllynen@redhat.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks for the update. I have few mostly cosmetic comments below,
>> hopefully we'll hear from others whether they agree with this direction.
>>

Yeah, the earlier we have feedback the more productive we are. I'd be
happy to get much feedback on this as early as possible. So please
everybody concerned please chime in.

> 
>> - No duplicates:
>>
>> % CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER IE
>> <U0435> <U0065>; <U0065>
>>
>> should become:
>>
>> % CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER IE
>> <U0435> <U0065>
>>
>> - There are few issues with the definitions:
>>
>> % CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER U
>> <U0423> <U0055>; <U0055>
>> % CYRILLIC UNDEFINED
>> <U0423><U0423> <U00DA>; "<U0055><U0060>"
>>
>> % CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER U
>> <U0443> <U0075>; <U0075>
>> % CYRILLIC UNDEFINED
>> <U0443><U0443> <U00FA>; "<U0075><U0060>"
> 
> Are the duplicates here because some Cyrillic letters may have multiple
> Latin transliterations depending on the context, for example Cyrillic IE
> must be transliterated sometimes as "e", sometimes as "ie", sometimes
> as "ye" or "je"?  Can we provide rules for groups of characters instead?
No, the duplicates are just by design of my line generating logic. I
have fixed (removed) them. The varying transcription between
languages/locales can not be handled in one file at all as far as I
understood.

> 
>> I wonder would it be possible to automate generation of this file so
>> that issues like the above could avoided? But perhaps that could be the
>> next step once this initial patch lands.

I am generating the content part of the translit_cyrillc from the
LibreOffice Spreadsheet. Not sure if you had time to view it by now?
https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=11299

Anyway I have just fixed the issues identified by Marko above in that
spreadsheet. I will do the changes for the below request and then upload
the new translit_cyrillic file to the bugzilla.


>> - Please add the standard glibc locale header (see the existing
>> translit_* files for reference)
>> - Consider wrapping the header lines at or around column 70-72
>> - Consider describing which characters, character ranges, or blocks are
>> supported (perhaps also describe why some of those are not included, see
>> e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrillic_script_in_Unicode)
>> - Please remove trailing whitespaces and spaces after ;
>
> Thanks for this, Marko.  While at this, in the ChangeLog and in the commit
> message these paths:
>
> 	* locales/aa_DJ: likewise
>
> 1. Should be a relative path starting in the root directory of glibc
source,
>    that is: "* localedata/locales/aa_DJ".
> 2. Should be "Likewise." (starting with an uppercase and ending with a
dot).

will do.

Bests,
Egor

  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-08 23:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <41532e13-a63d-5df1-ab37-05eb4d6c8d0a@kobylkin.com>
     [not found] ` <20180412224352.GB2911@altlinux.org>
2018-07-17 19:34   ` SUBJECT: [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] Egor Kobylkin
2018-07-17 19:41     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-07-17 19:50       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-07-17 19:59         ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-08-06 19:00   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] re-submission for 2.29 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-03  8:28     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-03  9:20       ` Keld Simonsen
2018-10-03  9:32         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-05  8:44           ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-05  9:20           ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-05 10:37             ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-08 22:05               ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-08 22:52                 ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 21:43                   ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-09 16:10                 ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-09 16:22                   ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 16:49                     ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-09 22:09                   ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-10 11:21                     ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-11 10:10                   ` Marko Myllynen
     [not found]             ` <deacdf31-d0bb-a92d-1de3-934d6b4cb158@kobylkin.com>
2018-10-05 11:54               ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-05 12:01                 ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-05 12:21                   ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-05 20:47                     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-08 12:41                       ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-08 22:23                         ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-08 23:36                           ` Egor Kobylkin [this message]
2018-10-09 13:18                             ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 18:34                               ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 22:18                                 ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-09 22:40                                   ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 22:43                                     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-10 11:23                                       ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-10 12:20                                         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-10 12:34                                           ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-10 22:29   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] v2 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 10:00     ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-11 11:05     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-11 13:10       ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-11 13:51       ` Volodymyr Lisivka
2018-10-11 14:59       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 21:31         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 15:05       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 15:45   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] v3 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 21:33   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] v4 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-12 14:06   ` [PATCH v5] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-13  1:01     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-13 16:58       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-15 11:05         ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-15 11:55           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-23 23:08         ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-17 14:17   ` [PATCH v6] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-01 22:52   ` [PATCH v7] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-02  0:01   ` [PATCH v8] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-02 22:22     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-11-02 23:27       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-14 21:25   ` [PATCH v9] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-16 22:17     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-11-17 18:35       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-19  7:14         ` Marko Myllynen
2018-11-19  9:22           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-19 19:36             ` Marko Myllynen
2018-12-01 22:09           ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-01 22:53             ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-03 22:19             ` Egor Kobylkin
     [not found]               ` <1361059722.707244.1544231740358@poczta.nazwa.pl>
2018-12-10 21:20                 ` Marko Myllynen
2018-12-19 22:26                   ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-19 22:48                     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-19 23:51                       ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-11-19 11:11   ` [PATCH v10] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-07 23:35     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-08 21:51       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-19 22:42         ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-19 23:02           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-20  0:06             ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-08 22:28   ` [PATCH v11] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration " Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-19 23:16     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-26 10:07       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-12-26 12:14         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-27  1:31           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-12-27 11:31             ` Rafal Luzynski
2019-01-02 18:39   ` [PATCH v12] " Egor Kobylkin
2019-01-05 14:36     ` Rafal Luzynski
2019-01-05 21:13       ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-01-07 20:37         ` Marko Myllynen
2019-01-09  0:46           ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-01-09 20:03             ` Marko Myllynen
2019-02-04  7:14               ` [PATCH v12] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration [BZ #2872] ping for 2.30 Egor Kobylkin
2019-02-14 16:48                 ` Marko Myllynen
2019-03-04 22:12                   ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-03-11 13:59                     ` PING " Egor Kobylkin
2019-03-14 19:49                       ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-19 22:24                   ` Rafal Luzynski
     [not found]                     ` <5ELixS9SQ0DW4mlvswp96ASpLobBabU9KQ6zOTH-Udrb34mABhcqiPERpBZfPWZ9F77s8XNmiLIAq9UWu0AjLFFdjOz_FZVU5_xF-SiQkrw=@kobylkin.com>
2019-04-27  2:51                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2019-04-27  7:34                         ` Diego (Egor) Kobylkin
2019-04-09  1:04     ` [PATCH v12] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration [BZ #2872] Carlos O'Donell
2019-03-19 10:39   ` ping " Egor Kobylkin
2019-03-28 16:20     ` [PING^4][PATCH " Marko Myllynen
2019-04-04 19:44     ` [PING^5][PATCH " Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-06  1:36       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2019-04-16  7:15     ` [PING^6][PATCH " Marko Myllynen
2019-04-16 13:17       ` Carlos O'Donell
2019-04-16 17:07         ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-16 17:58           ` Carlos O'Donell
2019-04-16 18:41             ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-16 19:06               ` Carlos O'Donell
2019-05-10 12:19                 ` Marko Myllynen

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