Is there, anywhere in the world, some place where ican rsync Cygin 32 bits ?

Is there, anywhere in the world, some place where ican rsync Cygin 32 bits ?

[akakima]

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Does such a place exist (beside fruitbat) ?


Thanks a lot.

Re: Is there, anywhere in the world, some place where ican rsync Cygin 32 bits ?

[Brian Inglis]

On 2023-05-29 16:06, akakima via Cygwin wrote:
> Does such a place exist (beside fruitbat) ?

Appears the master and all mirrors have stub setup.ini and nothing else!
Only private mirrors like fruitbat are likely to maintain history.

-- 
Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis              Calgary, Alberta, Canada

La perfection est atteinte                   Perfection is achieved
non pas lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à ajouter  not when there is no more to add
mais lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à retirer     but when there is no more to cut
                                 -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Re: Is there, anywhere in the world, some place where ican rsync Cygin 32 bits ?

[Jon Turney]

On 29/05/2023 23:42, Brian Inglis via Cygwin wrote:
> On 2023-05-29 16:06, akakima via Cygwin wrote:
>> Does such a place exist (beside fruitbat) ?
> 
> Appears the master and all mirrors have stub setup.ini and nothing else!
> Only private mirrors like fruitbat are likely to maintain history.

This answer is wrong is almost every particular.

I went to a some effort to maintain an accessible archive of the last 
32-bit cygwin (See [1]).

Please don't spread misinformation.

[1] https://cygwin.com/pipermail/cygwin-announce/2022-November/010810.html

Re: Is there, anywhere in the world, some place where ican rsync Cygin 32 bits ?

[Brian Inglis]

On 2023-05-30 06:21, Jon Turney via Cygwin wrote:
> On 29/05/2023 23:42, Brian Inglis via Cygwin wrote:
>> On 2023-05-29 16:06, akakima via Cygwin wrote:
>>> Does such a place exist (beside fruitbat) ?
>>
>> Appears the master and all mirrors have stub setup.ini and nothing else!
>> Only private mirrors like fruitbat are likely to maintain history.
> 
> This answer is wrong is almost every particular.

Good - nothing like a definitely wrong statement in a post to bring out an 
illuminating correction in a reply!

> I went to a some effort to maintain an accessible archive of the last 32-bit 
> cygwin (See [1]).
> 
> Please don't spread misinformation.

Both the OP and myself, and likely others, missed the alternative:
I just went back and reread it a few times, and finally got the point;
also in the Install FAQ - I just noticed it third time thru, after searching the 
page for "sourceware".

> [1] https://cygwin.com/pipermail/cygwin-announce/2022-November/010810.html

You totally buried the lede with the point:

"The URL for any sourceware mirror[1], followed by cygwin-archive/20221123"

because of too many levels of indirection about sourceware mirrors, lack of 
examples and emphases, overshadowed by the following URL and thanks; similarly 
in the install FAQ:

"The URL for any sourceware mirror, followed by cygwin-archive/20221123".

I've done this a lot myself, trying to be too terse whilst getting the point 
across, losing it in the wording, requiring rephrasing or restructuring, perhaps 
along the lines of:

"To install the last cygwin version for x86, run setup using the options
'--allow-unsupported-windows option --site circa_URL' e.g.

	> setup-x86 -allow-unsupported-windows --site circa_URL

where circa_URL can be one of:

* any complete sourceware mirror URL, which includes cygwin-archive, followed by
   the cygwin-archive mirror directory name and last x86 archive date
   cygwin-archive/20221123 e.g.

	https://mirrors.kernel.org/sourceware/cygwin-archive/20221123/

   An incomplete list of sourceware mirrors is available at:

	https://sourceware.org/mirrors.html

   (Not all sourceware mirrors may carry the cygwin-archive mirror.)

* the Cygwin time machine URL:

   http://ctm.crouchingtigerhiddenfruitbat.org/pub/cygwin/circa/2022/11/23/063457

   Thanks to the Cygwin Time Machine for providing this archive."

In the Install FAQ, perhaps:

"32-bit:
http://ctm.crouchingtigerhiddenfruitbat.org/pub/cygwin/circa/2022/11/23/063457
https://mirrors.kernel.org/sourceware/cygwin-archive/20221123/ or the URL for 
any complete sourceware mirror which includes cygwin-archive, followed by the 
mirror directory and last x86 archive date cygwin-archive/20221123"

and/or perhaps include something like the suggested expansion at top below under 
the 32-bit note?

-- 
Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis              Calgary, Alberta, Canada

La perfection est atteinte                   Perfection is achieved
non pas lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à ajouter  not when there is no more to add
mais lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à retirer     but when there is no more to cut
                                 -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Re: Is there, anywhere in the world, some place where ican rsync Cygin 32 bits ?

[Jon Turney]

On 30/05/2023 20:55, Brian Inglis via Cygwin wrote:
> On 2023-05-30 06:21, Jon Turney via Cygwin wrote:
>> On 29/05/2023 23:42, Brian Inglis via Cygwin wrote:
>>> On 2023-05-29 16:06, akakima via Cygwin wrote:
>>>> Does such a place exist (beside fruitbat) ?
>>>
>>> Appears the master and all mirrors have stub setup.ini and nothing else!
>>> Only private mirrors like fruitbat are likely to maintain history.
>>
>> This answer is wrong is almost every particular.
> 
> Good - nothing like a definitely wrong statement in a post to bring out 
> an illuminating correction in a reply!

No, we're not going to play that game.  Posting misinformation doesn't 
oblige me to provide a correction (because that's an easily exploitable 
infinite time sink).

Please avoid making definitive statements you don't know to be true on 
this list in future.

>> I went to a some effort to maintain an accessible archive of the last 
>> 32-bit cygwin (See [1]).
>>
>> Please don't spread misinformation.
> 
> Both the OP and myself, and likely others, missed the alternative:
> I just went back and reread it a few times, and finally got the point;
> also in the Install FAQ - I just noticed it third time thru, after 
> searching the page for "sourceware".
> 
[...]
> 
>    An incomplete list of sourceware mirrors is available at:
> 
>      https://sourceware.org/mirrors.html
> 
>    (Not all sourceware mirrors may carry the cygwin-archive mirror.)

Again, this is wrong.

sourceware mirrors by definition mirror the entire "ftp directory" from 
sourceware.

Re: Is there, anywhere in the world, some place where ican rsync Cygin 32 bits ?

[Brian Inglis]

On 2023-06-11 11:58, Jon Turney via Cygwin wrote:
> On 30/05/2023 20:55, Brian Inglis via Cygwin wrote:
>> On 2023-05-30 06:21, Jon Turney via Cygwin wrote:
>>> On 29/05/2023 23:42, Brian Inglis via Cygwin wrote:
>>>> On 2023-05-29 16:06, akakima via Cygwin wrote:
>>>>> Does such a place exist (beside fruitbat) ?
>>>>
>>>> Appears the master and all mirrors have stub setup.ini and nothing else!
>>>> Only private mirrors like fruitbat are likely to maintain history.
>>>
>>> This answer is wrong is almost every particular.
>>
>> Good - nothing like a definitely wrong statement in a post to bring out an 
>> illuminating correction in a reply!
> 
> No, we're not going to play that game.  Posting misinformation doesn't oblige me 
> to provide a correction (because that's an easily exploitable infinite time sink).

Sorry if you misinterpreted my jocular attempt to lighten the tone in response 
to your flame!

> Please avoid making definitive statements you don't know to be true on this list 
> in future.

As volunteer contributors, we all contribute where we can, and my statements 
were far from definitive, leaving room for more knowledgeable contributors to 
respond in their own timeframe, if they could.

As I am neither a logician or mathematician, I never claim to make definitive 
statements or anything that is true, only contributions to the best of my 
admittedly limited ability and imperfect knowledge.

As far as I, and possibly many others, were aware, fruitbat was the only known 
legacy archive.

>>> I went to a some effort to maintain an accessible archive of the last 32-bit 
>>> cygwin (See [1]).
>>>
>>> Please don't spread misinformation.

I feel you overreacted inappropriately in both your previous and latest replies.

>> Both the OP and myself, and likely others, missed the alternative:
>> I just went back and reread it a few times, and finally got the point;
>> also in the Install FAQ - I just noticed it third time thru, after searching 
>> the page for "sourceware".
>>
> [...]
>>
>>    An incomplete list of sourceware mirrors is available at:
>>
>>      https://sourceware.org/mirrors.html
>>
>>    (Not all sourceware mirrors may carry the cygwin-archive mirror.)
> 
> Again, this is wrong.
> 
> sourceware mirrors by definition mirror the entire "ftp directory" from sourceware.

Then it appears that list of Sourceware mirrors should be updated as the listed 
mirror of funet.fi:

	https://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/sources.redhat.com/pub/

has neither a current Cygwin mirror nor any cygwin-archive mirror, and may not 
have any current Sourceware mirrors from what I see.
However I see that site has a Cygwin mirror which is under a current Sourceware 
mirror including /cygwin-archive/20221123/:

	https://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/sourceware.org/pub/

[BTW mirrors.kernel.org appears to have dropped FTP (no response and not in 
Cygwin mirrors); also sourceware.org/cygwin link no longer appears to redirect 
to cygwin.com, although it does show the Cygwin home page, so most of the home 
page nav bar links do not appear to work correctly, giving 404 or an equivalent 
Sourceware page, unless the Cygwin and Sourceware site paths match FYI]

-- 
Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis              Calgary, Alberta, Canada

La perfection est atteinte                   Perfection is achieved
non pas lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à ajouter  not when there is no more to add
mais lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à retirer     but when there is no more to cut
                                 -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Re: Is there, anywhere in the world, some place where ican rsync Cygin 32 bits ?

[Jon Turney]

On 29/05/2023 23:06, akakima via Cygwin wrote:
> Does such a place exist (beside fruitbat) ?

Use the cygwin-archive/20221123 path (See [1]) on an rsyncable 
sourceware mirror (the list at [2] is sadly incomplete, not all of the 
cygwin mirrors listed at [3] have a full sourceware mirror)

[1] https://cygwin.com/install.html#unsupported
[2] https://sourceware.org/mirrors.html
[3] https://cygwin.com/mirrors.html