* db* does it serve the purpose @ 2000-12-27 6:36 madhu 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Mark Galassi ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: madhu @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: docbook-tools-discuss; +Cc: docbook-tools hi for the last couple of day's there is healthy discussion going on this list well here's is my $2 bit a) as a user should i be worrying about tweaking the scripts whether be it db2html or dbk or David's dbnochunk or for that matter forthcoming eric's Db and not to forget howto to install Norman's stylesheets and also the forthcoming Docbook DTD's . whew that is one hell of a list b) The irony of it all is this is regarding tools which is supposed to make our documents better and easier to maintain c) as i see it all these tools must have its origin in the fact the authors would have resorted to it only to ease their pain but not neccessarily useful to others also the surprising thing why none of the distro's have looked at it from user space .What i want is something is like this i enter at prompt $ Db everybody and it asks me $TARGET and i enter $ *.sgm/sgml or *.xml and it asks $ FORMAT I enter $HTML OR PDF or whatever supported output format it asks $STYLESHEETS I enter $path to normans stylesheets (this eliminates the hassle of installing questions ;-) and also probably this CATALOG business) it asks $CONVERTER (this should end jade vs openjade ) i enter $ jade or openjade it says $ CHUNK/NOCHUNK i say $ what is appropriate to me it says $ Please wait ............. bingo $error ;-) or i get my out put this should relieve a lot of people of headaches is it wishful thinking or people have valid reason not getting this done .i mean this will as a user who is interested in furthering use of SGML/XML in varous application and spend more quality time with DTD's and styesheets and improving them ,shuoldn,t i stop worrying about what scripts .isnt this the same concern of david when he was talking about one more DB unmaintained or i misunderstood him . can somebody enlighten me on this thank you in advance regards -- maddy ********************************************************************************************** "There the eye goes not;Speech goes not,nor the mind. We know not,we understand not;How one would teach it" ********************************************************************************************** ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: db* does it serve the purpose 2000-12-27 6:36 db* does it serve the purpose madhu @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Mark Galassi 2000-12-27 6:36 ` madhu 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jorge Godoy 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff 2 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Mark Galassi @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: madhu; +Cc: docbook-tools-discuss, docbook-tools Dear Madhu, I'm sorry to sound negative as I catch up and read your note. But I cannot imagine anyone wanting to use a program like the one you outline, which asks you a million questions every time you use it! Rather, the program you suggest belongs as a simple GUI on top of the real one (which you invoke on the command line and it shuts up). This GUI would have you check off a bunch of stuff and save you a customized script for what you need. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: db* does it serve the purpose 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Mark Galassi @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` madhu 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: madhu @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mark Galassi; +Cc: docbook-tools-discuss, docbook-tools On Thu, 09 Mar 2000, you wrote: > Dear Madhu, > > I'm sorry to sound negative as I catch up and read your note. no you are not ! > > But I cannot imagine anyone wanting to use a program like the one you > outline, which asks you a million questions every time you use it! > my point was ease of use ,please do not take it literally. > Rather, the program you suggest belongs as a simple GUI on top of the > real one (which you invoke on the command line and it shuts up). This > GUI would have you check off a bunch of stuff and save you a > customized script for what you need. yes i am aware of it but this thread has gone far ahead which you will realise as you catch up with a lot of other things but it is reassuring to have you back though ;-) which should hopefully take things further thank you regards -- maddy ********************************************************************************************** "There the eye goes not;Speech goes not,nor the mind. We know not,we understand not;How one would teach it" ********************************************************************************************** ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: db* does it serve the purpose 2000-12-27 6:36 db* does it serve the purpose madhu 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Mark Galassi @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jorge Godoy 2000-12-27 6:36 ` (docbook-tools) " Eric Bischoff 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff 2 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Jorge Godoy @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: madhu; +Cc: docbook-tools-discuss, docbook-tools [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3213 bytes --] On Sat, Feb 26, 2000 at 11:55:59AM +0530, madhu wrote: > hi > for the last couple of day's there is healthy discussion going on this list > well here's is my $2 bit > a) as a user should i be worrying about tweaking the scripts whether be > it db2html or dbk or David's dbnochunk or for that matter forthcoming eric's Db > and not to forget howto to install Norman's stylesheets and also the > forthcoming Docbook DTD's . whew that is one hell of a list That's what we are concerned too. > b) The irony of it all is this is regarding tools which is supposed to make > our documents better and easier to maintain Documents maintenance is a separate philosophy. I agree that having an easy way to use them is one of the things that we must look at. > c) as i see it all these tools must have its origin in the fact the authors > would have resorted to it only to ease their pain but not neccessarily useful > to others > also the surprising thing why none of the distro's have looked at it from > user space .What i want is something is like this No "distro" has looked at it from user space because it's something new. I thinks it's borning now, since the use of SGMLtools "died" when the project was abandoned. Now it has a new maintainer. > i enter at prompt > $ Db everybody > and it asks me > $TARGET > and i enter > $ *.sgm/sgml or *.xml > and it asks > $ FORMAT > I enter > $HTML OR PDF or whatever supported output format > it asks > $STYLESHEETS > I enter > $path to normans stylesheets (this eliminates the hassle of installing > questions ;-) and also probably this CATALOG business) CATALOGs exists so that you don't need this step. ;-) The tools are clever enough to use the right stylesheet. > it asks > $CONVERTER (this should end jade vs openjade ) > i enter > $ jade or openjade > it says > $ CHUNK/NOCHUNK > i say > $ what is appropriate to me > it says > $ Please wait ............. > bingo > $error ;-) or i get my out put > this should relieve a lot of people of headaches But it asks too many questions. We'd also to have GNU syntax: $ DB --format=html --converter=openjade --nochunk everybody.sgml It's very interesting for automating conversions. You "*.sgml" would become: for i in *.sgml do DB --format=html --converter=openjade --nochunk $i done > is it wishful thinking or people have valid reason not getting this done .i > mean this will as a user who is interested in furthering use of SGML/XML in > varous application and spend more quality time with DTD's and styesheets and > improving them ,shuoldn,t i stop worrying about what scripts .isnt this the same > concern of david when he was talking about one more DB unmaintained or i > misunderstood him . can somebody enlighten me on this You got the point. People are, now, concerned with the DTD: it's resources and it's stylesheets presentation. When it's "beautiful" and with enough features them they'll look at the way people are working. We are doing what we can with what we know: I'm not a DTD hacker, so I'm hacking a way to easy the use of the DTD. -- Godoy. <godoy@conectiva.com.br> Setor de Publicações Publishing Department Conectiva S.A. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: (docbook-tools) Re: db* does it serve the purpose 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jorge Godoy @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jorge Godoy ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Eric Bischoff @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: docbook-tools-discuss, docbook-tools [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1800 bytes --] Jorge Godoy wrote: > But it asks too many questions. We'd also to have GNU syntax: > > $ DB --format=html --converter=openjade --nochunk everybody.sgml This is the philosophy I'm trying to implement. db2html already has 5 different conversion flags. Most of them use defaults that you don't need to redefine for a normal basic use, so usually "db2html mydoc.sgml" is enough. Having "db --format=html" or "db2html" is almost the same (less letters in the second one). If there is a big pressure, I will merge db2html, db2pdf, db2rtf and db2ps together, but this will result in an incompatibility with previous docbook-tools :-(. "--converter" flag seems more interesting to implement. I must admit that I don't know openjade. It's a kind of rewriting of Jade, no ? Can someone explain me in private how you call it usually ? (executable name, are options names and semantics identical to jade ?) Users normally only use only one out of them, no ? "--nochunk" looks suspicious to me. Isn't it something you are supposed to cusstomize through an alternate stylesheet ? Then you would better use "db2html --dsl nochunk.dsl", no ? I have been sending the new db2* scripts to the connectiva list. If people feel like hacking them, why not ? Or they can give suggestions that I will implement. -- Ãric Bischoff - mailto:ebisch@cybercable.tm.fr __________________________________________________ \^o~_. .~. ______ /( __ ) /V\ Toys story \__ \/ ( V // \\ \__| (__=v /( )\ |\___/ ) ^^-^^ \_____( ) Tux Konqui \__=v __________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: (docbook-tools) Re: db* does it serve the purpose 2000-12-27 6:36 ` (docbook-tools) " Eric Bischoff @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jorge Godoy 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jochem Huhmann 2000-12-27 6:36 ` madhu 2000-12-27 6:36 ` (docbook-tools) Re: db* does it serve the purpose Jochem Huhmann 2 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Jorge Godoy @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Bischoff; +Cc: docbook-tools-discuss, docbook-tools [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2106 bytes --] On Mon, Feb 28, 2000 at 05:58:02PM -0500, Eric Bischoff wrote: > Jorge Godoy wrote: > > But it asks too many questions. We'd also to have GNU syntax: > > > > $ DB --format=html --converter=openjade --nochunk everybody.sgml > > This is the philosophy I'm trying to implement. db2html > already has 5 different conversion flags. Most of them use > defaults that you don't need to redefine for a normal basic > use, so usually "db2html mydoc.sgml" is enough. It's the best way. Having defaults that are usually correct is the best thing that can happen with a tool. :-) > Having "db --format=html" or "db2html" is almost the same > (less letters in the second one). If there is a big > pressure, I will merge db2html, db2pdf, db2rtf and db2ps > together, but this will result in an incompatibility with > previous docbook-tools :-(. Again you can use the other calls as wrappers... Nothing is broken, then. > "--converter" flag seems more interesting to implement. I > must admit that I don't know openjade. It's a kind of > rewriting of Jade, no ? Can someone explain me in private > how you call it usually ? (executable name, are options > names and semantics identical to jade ?) Users normally only > use only one out of them, no ? Usually only one is installed. Openjade's options are exactly the same as Jade's but it supports more output formats (such as MIF, whatever it is). > "--nochunk" looks suspicious to me. Isn't it something you > are supposed to cusstomize through an alternate stylesheet ? > Then you would better use "db2html --dsl nochunk.dsl", no ? I don't see why having another stylesheet just to avoid chunks. In jade you can say: jade ... -V nochunks ... and it will be interpreted the same way as having (define nochunks #t) on your stylesheet. It can only be true or false... > I have been sending the new db2* scripts to the connectiva > list. If people feel like hacking them, why not ? Or they > can give suggestions that I will implement. :-) -- Godoy. <godoy@conectiva.com.br> Setor de Publicações Publishing Department Conectiva S.A. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: (docbook-tools) Re: db* does it serve the purpose 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jorge Godoy @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jochem Huhmann 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Jochem Huhmann @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: docbook-tools-discuss * Jorge Godoy <godoy@conectiva.com.br> wrote: > Usually only one is installed. Openjade's options are exactly the same > as Jade's but it supports more output formats (such as MIF, whatever > it is). This is from FrameMaker (AFAIK FrameMaker Interchange Format). Jochem -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: (docbook-tools) Re: db* does it serve the purpose 2000-12-27 6:36 ` (docbook-tools) " Eric Bischoff 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jorge Godoy @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` madhu [not found] ` <38BC0BF9.1E8F29B8@cybercable.tm.fr> 2000-12-27 6:36 ` (docbook-tools) Re: db* does it serve the purpose Jochem Huhmann 2 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: madhu @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: docbook-tools; +Cc: docbook-tools-discuss [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2521 bytes --] hi On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, you wrote: > Jorge Godoy wrote: > > But it asks too many questions. We'd also to have GNU syntax: > > > > $ DB --format=html --converter=openjade --nochunk everybody.sgml > > This is the philosophy I'm trying to implement. db2html > already has 5 different conversion flags. Most of them use > defaults that you don't need to redefine for a normal basic > use, so usually "db2html mydoc.sgml" is enough. so far Db2html2 as i call them looks fine see my report for additional information > > Having "db --format=html" or "db2html" is almost the same > (less letters in the second one). If there is a big > pressure, I will merge db2html, db2pdf, db2rtf and db2ps > together, but this will result in an incompatibility with > previous docbook-tools :-(. aw god no that is ten dogs in a circle ,one moves all of them move i atleast think it is not a good idea .harder to debug and you will agian have atleast two more commands extra > "--converter" flag seems more interesting to implement. I > must admit that I don't know openjade. It's a kind of > rewriting of Jade, no ? Can someone explain me in private > how you call it usually ? (executable name, are options > names and semantics identical to jade ?) Users normally only > use only one out of them, no ? as a choice it ls nice to have it though i personally have'nt used it much > "--nochunk" looks suspicious to me. Isn't it something you > are supposed to cusstomize through an alternate stylesheet ? > Then you would better use "db2html --dsl nochunk.dsl", no ? it is worth having a look at Davids script which used to do a good job ,i think i have it somewhere but i am not sure .david should be able to help i think it is called "dbnochunks" or something > I have been sending the new db2* scripts to the connectiva > list. If people feel like hacking them, why not ? Or they > can give suggestions that I will implement. done but why nothing for XML sgml2xml is there but then it writes to stdout but no output file as far as i know or maybe i dont know how to do it can somebody educate me on this > -- > Ãric Bischoff - mailto:ebisch@cybercable.tm.fr thank you regards -- maddy ********************************************************************************************** "There the eye goes not;Speech goes not,nor the mind. We know not,we understand not;How one would teach it" ********************************************************************************************** ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
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* Re: --parser and --nochunks are available [not found] ` <38BC0BF9.1E8F29B8@cybercable.tm.fr> @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` madhu 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jorge Godoy 2000-12-27 6:36 ` man page for docbook-utils scripts Eric Bischoff 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: madhu @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Bischoff; +Cc: docbook-tools-discuss [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1477 bytes --] hi On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, you wrote: > Since the scripts are becoming more complicated, it is worth > starting to write a man page for them. Does someone know how > to write that ? I can give an unformatted text to be > reworked. i cant help you with Manpage though i had a different approach in mind.why not a manual in docbook format for all these scripts and we can continue Mark's tradition by having a Turial on Docbook usage .he has done a very fine & wonderful job ,atleast my starting point was his tutorial. but i think that it is a half finished and half hearted attempt but again understandable since we all know how busy he is .by the by is he back form his numerous conferrences or some such thing.in fact it can have much more details on dsssl with hopefully norman's input. i would like to be part of this intiative if everybody likes it.here's hoping for the best . > > But it would be nice if db2html and friends could operate on > XML docbook. In docbook-utils version 0.3 ? ;-) should it take as it is in the mail ;-) that should be nice > -- > Ãric Bischoff - mailto:ebisch@cybercable.tm.fr thank you regards -- maddy ********************************************************************************************** "There the eye goes not;Speech goes not,nor the mind. We know not,we understand not;How one would teach it" ********************************************************************************************** ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: --parser and --nochunks are available 2000-12-27 6:36 ` --parser and --nochunks are available madhu @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jorge Godoy 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jochem Huhmann 2000-12-27 6:36 ` man page for docbook-utils scripts Eric Bischoff 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Jorge Godoy @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: madhu; +Cc: Eric Bischoff, docbook-tools-discuss, docbook-tools [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1540 bytes --] On Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 08:39:41PM +0530, madhu wrote: > hi > On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, you wrote: > > > Since the scripts are becoming more complicated, it is worth > > starting to write a man page for them. Does someone know how > > to write that ? I can give an unformatted text to be > > reworked. > i cant help you with Manpage though i had a different approach in mind.why not > a manual in docbook format for all these scripts and we can continue Mark's > tradition by having a Turial on Docbook usage .he has done a very fine & > wonderful job ,atleast my starting point was his tutorial. but i think that it > is a half finished and half hearted attempt but again understandable since we > all know how busy he is .by the by is he back form his numerous conferrences or > some such thing.in fact it can have much more details on dsssl with hopefully > norman's input. i would like to be part of this intiative if everybody likes > it.here's hoping for the best . http://www.metalab.unc.edu/godoy -- there's a starting --- needing _many_ english corrections --- DocBook HOWTO. We can write the man page in docbook... It has support on that. ;-) > > But it would be nice if db2html and friends could operate on > > XML docbook. In docbook-utils version 0.3 ? ;-) > should it take as it is in the mail ;-) that should be nice It wouldn't be nice. It will be needed. DocBook V5.0 is going to be XML only... -- Godoy. <godoy@conectiva.com.br> Setor de Publicações Publishing Department Conectiva S.A. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: --parser and --nochunks are available 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jorge Godoy @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jochem Huhmann 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Jochem Huhmann @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: docbook-tools-discuss * Jorge Godoy <godoy@conectiva.com.br> wrote: > We can write the man page in docbook... It has support on that. ;-) Has anyone tried docbbook2man (which produces man-pages from REFENTRY elements)? http://shell.ipoline.com/~elmert/comp/docbook2X/ Jochem -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: --parser and --nochunks are available 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jochem Huhmann @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jochem Huhmann ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Eric Bischoff @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jochem Huhmann, docbook-tools-discuss [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1111 bytes --] Jochem Huhmann wrote: > > * Jorge Godoy <godoy@conectiva.com.br> wrote: > > We can write the man page in docbook... It has support on that. ;-) > > Has anyone tried docbbook2man (which produces man-pages from REFENTRY > elements)? http://shell.ipoline.com/~elmert/comp/docbook2X/ No, but db2man can become part of the docbook-utils ;-) I've been writing the man page for the docbook-utils and try to use docbook2man with it. By the way, another feature I could add to the db2* scripts would be an option to call collateindex.pl. Has someone already played with a docbook index and this tool ? Eric -- Ãric Bischoff - mailto:ebisch@cybercable.tm.fr __________________________________________________ \^o~_. .~. ______ /( __ ) /V\ Toys story \__ \/ ( V // \\ \__| (__=v /( )\ |\___/ ) ^^-^^ \_____( ) Tux Konqui \__=v __________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: --parser and --nochunks are available 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jochem Huhmann 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Mark Galassi ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Jochem Huhmann @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: docbook-tools-discuss; +Cc: docbook-tools * Eric Bischoff <ebisch@cybercable.tm.fr> wrote: > Jochem Huhmann wrote: > > > > * Jorge Godoy <godoy@conectiva.com.br> wrote: > > > We can write the man page in docbook... It has support on that. ;-) > > > > Has anyone tried docbbook2man (which produces man-pages from REFENTRY > > elements)? http://shell.ipoline.com/~elmert/comp/docbook2X/ > > No, but db2man can become part of the docbook-utils ;-) > > I've been writing the man page for the docbook-utils and try > to use docbook2man with it. > > By the way, another feature I could add to the db2* scripts > would be an option to call collateindex.pl. Has someone > already played with a docbook index and this tool ? Not yet. But shouldn't be there some framework for such things in a more generalized way? SGMLTools calls these "backends". So "-b html" converts to HTML, "-b ps" to Postscript, "-b txt" to plain text (via --nochunks and then stripping the HTML away with "lynx --dump")... It would be the most flexible approach to make such backends pluggable. If called with a not builtin backend (say "-b foo") the script could look if there is a file "/etc/sgml/backends/foo.sh" and just source it. From this sh-snippet one would have comfortable access to all parsed commandline arguments and such, so that a new wrapper around db2man or collateindex.pl (or docbook2latex, or whatever) could be written in a few lines and simply thrown in. [I've cc'ed this to the new list] Jochem -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: --parser and --nochunks are available 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jochem Huhmann @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Mark Galassi 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Edward C. Bailey 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jorge Godoy 3 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Mark Galassi @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Bischoff; +Cc: Jochem Huhmann, docbook-tools-discuss Eric> No, but db2man can become part of the docbook-utils ;-) Definitely: this, together with all other such useful scripts (like the texinfo ones) should be merged in. For robustness of the distribution, though, we need to make sure that there is a tight loop with the maintainers of these packages. If they have a regular release process, we can latch in to it and use it for packaging. If they don't, we can invite them to maintain the programs in our repository. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: --parser and --nochunks are available 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jochem Huhmann 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Mark Galassi @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Edward C. Bailey 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jorge Godoy 3 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Edward C. Bailey @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Bischoff; +Cc: Jochem Huhmann, docbook-tools-discuss >>>>> "Eric" == Eric Bischoff <ebisch@cybercable.tm.fr> writes: ... Eric> By the way, another feature I could add to the db2* scripts would be Eric> an option to call collateindex.pl. Has someone already played with a Eric> docbook index and this tool ? Yeah, we use it for producing indexes for HTML output. What do you want to know? Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: --parser and --nochunks are available 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Edward C. Bailey @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jorge Godoy 3 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Jorge Godoy @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Bischoff; +Cc: Jochem Huhmann, docbook-tools-discuss, docbook-tools [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 633 bytes --] On Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 09:51:59AM -0500, Eric Bischoff wrote: > > By the way, another feature I could add to the db2* scripts > would be an option to call collateindex.pl. Has someone > already played with a docbook index and this tool ? I use collateindex.pl here for all my documents. It works. :-) The only drawback of this script is that it needs to generate the HTML output. I've made some scripts that remove these files after generating them so that the HTML I have as output were the ones I asked for. -- Godoy. <godoy@conectiva.com.br> Setor de Publicações Publishing Department Conectiva S.A. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* man page for docbook-utils scripts 2000-12-27 6:36 ` --parser and --nochunks are available madhu 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jorge Godoy @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Eric Bischoff @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: madhu; +Cc: docbook-tools-discuss [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1663 bytes --] madhu wrote: > i cant help you with Manpage though i had a different approach in mind.why not > a manual in docbook format for all these scripts and we can continue Mark's > tradition by having a Turial on Docbook usage .he has done a very fine & Well, we can have both, but a manual page seems more urgent to me. I've already been writing such a guide for the KDE project. It's called "Crash course to DocBook". And such starter guides are really many across the internet. So I'm not very enthusiastic at the idea of making a new one. > wonderful job ,atleast my starting point was his tutorial. but i think that it > is a half finished and half hearted attempt but again understandable since we > all know how busy he is .by the by is he back form his numerous conferrences or > some such thing.in fact it can have much more details on dsssl with hopefully > norman's input. i would like to be part of this intiative if everybody likes > it.here's hoping for the best . Yes, we could also finish Mark's work. But still, I would insist on having a man page for db2*. I can write the text but I don't want to spend some time in learning the markup. -- Ãric Bischoff - mailto:ebisch@cybercable.tm.fr __________________________________________________ \^o~_. .~. ______ /( __ ) /V\ Toys story \__ \/ ( V // \\ \__| (__=v /( )\ |\___/ ) ^^-^^ \_____( ) Tux Konqui \__=v __________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: (docbook-tools) Re: db* does it serve the purpose 2000-12-27 6:36 ` (docbook-tools) " Eric Bischoff 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jorge Godoy 2000-12-27 6:36 ` madhu @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jochem Huhmann 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff 2 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Jochem Huhmann @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: docbook-tools-discuss * Eric Bischoff <ebisch@cybercable.tm.fr> wrote: > Having "db --format=html" or "db2html" is almost the same > (less letters in the second one). If there is a big > pressure, I will merge db2html, db2pdf, db2rtf and db2ps > together, but this will result in an incompatibility with > previous docbook-tools :-(. You could symlink "db" to "db2html" and such, than look at $0 to see how the script was called and act accordingly. SuSE does it this way too. A single script seems to make sense to me, since it's just simpler to hack on. > "--converter" flag seems more interesting to implement. I > must admit that I don't know openjade. It's a kind of > rewriting of Jade, no ? Can someone explain me in private > how you call it usually ? (executable name, are options > names and semantics identical to jade ?) Users normally only > use only one out of them, no ? > > "--nochunk" looks suspicious to me. Isn't it something you > are supposed to cusstomize through an alternate stylesheet ? > Then you would better use "db2html --dsl nochunk.dsl", no ? Well, if this wrappers are meant for DocBook with jade only, one could stay with "--nochunk", I think. "--dsl nochunk.dsl" is more generic but also more verbose. That's not far away from calling jade directly anymore. Maybe just supply "--nochunk" as a shortcut? > I have been sending the new db2* scripts to the connectiva > list. If people feel like hacking them, why not ? Or they > can give suggestions that I will implement. I've some trouble with my email adresses right now, so I haven't subscribed to the new list yet (and I haven't got around to post the list announcement, too - tommorow). If you could put the new scripts on ftp somewhere? I could offer some space if necessary, just upload them to ftp.revier.com/incoming and I set up a cron-job for moving them to a directory accessible for anon-ftp (say /pub/sgml/scripts/). Jochem -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: (docbook-tools) Re: db* does it serve the purpose 2000-12-27 6:36 ` (docbook-tools) Re: db* does it serve the purpose Jochem Huhmann @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jochem Huhmann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Eric Bischoff @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jochem Huhmann; +Cc: docbook-tools-discuss [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1615 bytes --] Jochem Huhmann wrote: > > You could symlink "db" to "db2html" and such, than look at $0 to see how > the script was called and act accordingly. SuSE does it this way too. A > single script seems to make sense to me, since it's just simpler to hack > on. being discussed on the list. > Well, if this wrappers are meant for DocBook with jade only, one could > stay with "--nochunk", I think. "--dsl nochunk.dsl" is more generic but > also more verbose. That's not far away from calling jade directly > anymore. Maybe just supply "--nochunk" as a shortcut? same thing. We added --nochunk, but it doesn't call another stylesheet. > I've some trouble with my email adresses right now, so I haven't > subscribed to the new list yet (and I haven't got around to post the > list announcement, too - tommorow). > > If you could put the new scripts on ftp somewhere? I could offer some No, thank you, not as long as they are not accepted by Mark. And if they are accepted, they would be put at ordinary docbook tools ftp site. Just subscribe to the discussion list, I resend them each time they get improved. -- Ãric Bischoff - mailto:ebisch@cybercable.tm.fr __________________________________________________ \^o~_. .~. ______ /( __ ) /V\ Toys story \__ \/ ( V // \\ \__| (__=v /( )\ |\___/ ) ^^-^^ \_____( ) Tux Konqui \__=v __________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: (docbook-tools) Re: db* does it serve the purpose 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jochem Huhmann 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Jochem Huhmann @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: docbook-tools-discuss * Eric Bischoff <ebisch@cybercable.tm.fr> wrote: > > If you could put the new scripts on ftp somewhere? I could offer some > > No, thank you, not as long as they are not accepted by Mark. > And if they are accepted, they would be put at ordinary > docbook tools ftp site. Sounds reasonable... > Just subscribe to the discussion list, I resend them each > time they get improved. Done. Sorry for typing too fast here ;-) Jochem -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: db* does it serve the purpose 2000-12-27 6:36 db* does it serve the purpose madhu 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Mark Galassi 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Jorge Godoy @ 2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff 2 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Eric Bischoff @ 2000-12-27 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: madhu; +Cc: docbook-tools-discuss [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1006 bytes --] madhu wrote: > also the surprising thing why none of the distro's have looked at it from > user space .What i want is something is like this > i enter at prompt > $ Db everybody > and it asks me > $TARGET > and i enter < (snipped) > $ Please wait ............. > bingo > $error ;-) or i get my out put > this should relieve a lot of people of headaches Pffff how long and painful in everyday's work. To answer the rest of your message : we're doing our best to make the life easier to users. -- Ãric Bischoff - mailto:ebisch@cybercable.tm.fr __________________________________________________ \^o~_. .~. ______ /( __ ) /V\ Toys story \__ \/ ( V // \\ \__| (__=v /( )\ |\___/ ) ^^-^^ \_____( ) Tux Konqui \__=v __________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
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