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From: Paul Koning <pkoning@equallogic.com>
To: bob@brasko.net
Cc: dk@artimi.com, eliz@gnu.org, gdb@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: probing GDB for MI versions
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:51:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <16740.12237.42548.798398@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041006172138.GI12213@white>

>>>>> "Bob" == Bob Rossi <Bob> writes:

 >> > Is this the general feel of the community?
 >> 
 >> Well, it's not what I feel, as I hope I've explained patiently
 >> above.  I wouldn't care to speak for the community at large, but I
 >> would be surprised if anyone else felt that it was wrong to
 >> generate a parser from the MI output syntax.  What I feel is wrong
 >> is your assumption that a generated parser is the only possible
 >> means of processing plain ascii human readable text for the
 >> purpose of finding and extracting a single integer value.

 Bob> I guess the bottom line is, I already have a parser that is
 Bob> capable of dealing with a specific version of MI's output. I
 Bob> don't want to start up MI with an adhoc parser, just to figure
 Bob> out what real parser I should use. This seems not correct to me,
 Bob> and I guess it's the issue to deal with.

Bob, that actually IS correct and the conventional way to handle
things.  In typical protocol design, the conversation starts with a
message that carries version information.  The protocol state machine
initially comes up in a state where it expects that message and knows
how to find the version information.  Once it knows that, it flips to
the state machine for that version.

Note that the "ad hoc" part typically only involves one or two
messages and often only a small part of the content of those
messages.  For example, the initial message might be a "create
connection" message, carrying dozens of fields one of which is a
version number.  The first step is to find that version number; after
that is known, all the rest including the full parse of that initial
message can be done by the full parse machinery.

(Alternatively, there might be a combined state machine -- in your
notation, that would be a grammar for the union of MI1 and MI2, with
condition checking on the version number to forbid certain production
rules.  That may work for some protocols; I doubt it's a sensible
answer for MI.)

       paul

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-06 17:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 211+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-03 17:15 Bob Rossi
2004-10-04  9:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-04 13:19   ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-05  9:10     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-05 12:34       ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 10:19         ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-06 11:47           ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 12:13             ` Dave Korn
2004-10-06 16:31               ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 16:46                 ` Nathan J. Williams
2004-10-06 16:55                   ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 17:04                     ` Nathan J. Williams
2004-10-06 17:15                       ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 16:57                 ` Dave Korn
2004-10-06 17:12                   ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 17:21                     ` Dave Korn
2004-10-06 17:24                       ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 17:31                         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-06 17:38                           ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 17:41                             ` Dave Korn
2004-10-06 17:55                               ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 18:19                                 ` Paul Koning
2004-10-07 10:56                                 ` Dave Korn
2004-10-07 14:15                                   ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-07 14:28                                     ` Dave Korn
2004-10-07 14:37                                       ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-07 14:39                                         ` Dave Korn
2004-10-07 14:50                                           ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-07 15:38                                             ` Dave Korn
2004-10-07 15:49                                               ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-07 16:31                                                 ` Nathan J. Williams
2004-10-07 16:45                                                 ` Alain Magloire
2004-10-07 17:12                                                 ` Dave Korn
     [not found]                                                 ` <200410071614.MAA19648@smtp.ott.qnx.com>
2004-10-08  6:56                                                   ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-08  9:10                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-10 18:13                                                       ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-11 17:46                                                         ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-13 12:14                                                         ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-13 12:48                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-13 14:05                                                             ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-14  7:10                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-14 19:34                                                                 ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-14 21:23                                                                   ` Andrew Cagney
2004-10-15 15:40                                                                     ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-15 13:02                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-15 13:28                                                                     ` Michael Chastain
2004-10-15 13:42                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-15 18:04                                                                     ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-16 15:46                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-16 21:56                                                                         ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-17 18:59                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-19 13:51                                                                             ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-19 14:18                                                                               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-19 19:28                                                                                 ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-19 20:17                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-06 18:43                               ` Andrew Cagney
2004-10-06 18:54                                 ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 19:19                                   ` Andrew Cagney
2004-10-06 19:25                                     ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 17:36                         ` Dave Korn
2004-10-06 17:51                         ` Paul Koning [this message]
2004-10-06 18:09                           ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 17:05                 ` Alain Magloire
2004-10-06 19:16 ` Andrew Cagney
2004-10-06 19:20   ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 20:10     ` Alain Magloire
2004-10-06 20:15       ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 20:13     ` Andrew Cagney
2004-10-08 10:28       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-08 18:48         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-10-10 20:46 Laziness David Lecomber
2005-10-10 20:50 ` Laziness Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-10-10 21:05   ` Laziness David Lecomber
2005-10-10 21:09     ` Laziness Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-10-10 21:24       ` Laziness David Lecomber
2005-10-10 21:27         ` Laziness Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-10-10 23:53           ` Laziness Paul Hilfinger
     [not found] <200508292030.NAA29909@hpsje.cup.hp.com>
     [not found] ` <1125360166.9350.69.camel@aretha.corp.specifix.com>
2005-08-30  1:13   ` HP gdb/wdb sources available Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-08-30  2:13     ` Paul Hilfinger
2004-10-26 14:49 backtrace changes current source location Felix Lee
2004-10-28 13:49 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-06  1:03 Bumping MI protocol Bob Rossi
2004-10-06  5:08 ` Nathan J. Williams
2004-10-06 11:27   ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 12:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-06 16:38       ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 16:45         ` Nathan J. Williams
2004-10-06 19:53           ` Bob Rossi
     [not found]       ` <eliz@gnu.org>
2004-10-06 16:57         ` Felix Lee
2004-10-06 17:03           ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 17:51 gdbserver, sysroot, prelink Felix Lee
2004-10-04 18:12 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
     [not found] <5956F1E2-EB0D-11D8-9949-000A9569836A@apple.com>
2004-08-11  0:51 ` GDB/XMI (XML Machine Interface) Chris Friesen
     [not found]   ` <gdb001@speakeasy.net>
2004-08-11  6:28     ` Felix Lee
2004-08-11  8:25       ` Chris Friesen
2004-08-11 22:43     ` Felix Lee
2004-08-12  4:54       ` OT: " Chris Friesen
2004-08-20 10:34     ` Felix Lee
2004-08-20 12:54       ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-20 18:34         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-20 18:49           ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-20 18:52             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-20 19:25               ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-20 19:42                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-20 19:59                   ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-21 10:25                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-21 12:34                       ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-21 13:34                         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]         ` <bob@brasko.net>
2004-08-20 18:20           ` Felix Lee
2004-08-20 21:34           ` Felix Lee
2004-08-21 19:21           ` Felix Lee
2004-08-21 20:21             ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-21 19:28           ` Felix Lee
2004-08-21 20:16             ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-21 21:28           ` Felix Lee
2004-08-21 22:37           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-03 18:36           ` GDB/MI snapshots between major release's Felix Lee
2004-10-03 18:40             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-03 18:42               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-03 19:35                 ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-03 19:39           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-03 20:19             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04  5:00           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-04 15:34           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-04 15:58             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 16:48           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-04 17:37             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 18:31           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-04 19:00             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 21:07           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-03 17:01             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04  5:04               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-04 14:59                 ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 15:49                   ` Mark Kettenis
2004-10-04 16:04                     ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-05 10:57                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-05 14:18                         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-06  1:40                           ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 11:14                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-06 11:39                             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 13:19                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-06 16:55                                 ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 17:00                                   ` Paul Koning
2004-10-06 17:02                                     ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 21:27             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-04 22:14             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-05  9:03               ` Fabian Cenedese
2004-10-05  9:18                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-05 13:37                   ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-05 18:53           ` probing GDB for MI versions Felix Lee
2004-10-06 17:14           ` GDB/MI snapshots between major release's Felix Lee
2004-10-06 17:21             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-06 18:41           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-06 18:50             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 18:55           ` Bumping MI protocol Felix Lee
2004-10-06 19:43             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 21:04           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-07 18:01           ` probing GDB for MI versions Felix Lee
2004-10-07 19:44             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-08  8:54               ` Fabian Cenedese
2004-10-19 20:13           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-19 20:23             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-19 21:27             ` Bob Rossi
2004-11-09  2:27             ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-10 20:14 GDB/XMI (XML Machine Interface) Bob Rossi
2004-08-10 22:38 ` Kip Macy
2004-08-11  0:17 ` Michael Chastain
2004-08-11  7:36 ` Fabian Cenedese
2004-08-11  8:51 ` Nick NoSpam
2004-08-11 18:05 ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-11 19:26   ` Alain Magloire
2004-08-11 22:35     ` Jason Molenda
2004-08-12 13:03       ` Nick NoSpam
2004-08-19 23:49 ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-20  7:09   ` Chris Friesen
2004-08-20 12:47     ` Bob Rossi
2004-07-29  5:10 breaking at for-loop test line Allen Hopkins
2004-07-29 16:29 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-07-29 18:58   ` Andre Ancelin
2004-07-30 11:32   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-03 19:21     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-03 20:09       ` Andrew Cagney
2004-08-03 20:21         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-07-25  1:18 [proposal/testsuite] require build == host Michael Chastain
2004-07-25  1:52 ` Felix Lee
2004-07-25  2:43   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
     [not found]     ` <drow@false.org>
2004-07-25 22:36       ` Felix Lee
2004-07-26 18:07         ` Michael Chastain
2004-07-27  4:41           ` Felix Lee
2004-07-29 22:21       ` breaking at for-loop test line Felix Lee
2004-07-30  8:23         ` Baurjan Ismagulov
     [not found]           ` <ibr@ata.cs.hun.edu.tr>
2004-07-30 10:46             ` Felix Lee
2004-08-03 18:53               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-20 19:06       ` GDB/XMI (XML Machine Interface) Felix Lee
2004-08-20 19:09         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-20 19:20       ` Felix Lee
2004-08-21 12:37         ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 19:05       ` gdbserver, sysroot, prelink Felix Lee
2004-10-04 19:24         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-05 13:03           ` Andrew Cagney
2004-10-05 13:52             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-05 13:53       ` Felix Lee
2004-10-06 17:58       ` GDB/MI snapshots between major release's Felix Lee
2004-10-29  8:32       ` backtrace changes current source location Felix Lee
2004-07-25  7:59 ` [proposal/testsuite] require build == host Eli Zaretskii
2004-07-27  0:45 ` Andrew Cagney
2004-07-27  2:31   ` Michael Chastain
2004-07-27  4:16     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-07-27 15:32     ` Andrew Cagney
2004-07-27 15:50       ` Christopher Faylor
2004-07-27 21:17       ` Michael Chastain

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